Wikipedia talk:Japan-related topics notice board/Feb06

Meetup in Osaka

JA

1月8日（日）夕方から関西のウィキメディアンで新年会を企画しています。

集合場所：梅田・ビックマンの上

集合時間：午後5時

参加をご希望の方はウィキメールにて土曜日夕5時までに幹事までご連絡ください。 6日夕現在で、幹事を含む3人が参加を表明しています。

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EN

On the next Sunday evening, January 8, 2006, Wikimedians in Kansai will hold a meetup in Umeda, a northern neighborhood of Osaka, Osaka. All interested Wikimedians are invited to join and celebrate the new year, though most of participants are active on JA WP expectedly. Our meeting point will be ...

Place

corridor over "Bicman" (a big display near to the Kinokuniya bookstore)

Time

1700 in local time

Your notice by wikimail to the organizer is strongly recommended, though your surprise apperance will be warmly welcomed. --Aphaia 08:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sengoku campaigns

My primary focus on the 'pedia has been Japanese battles, and I am now running into something of a dilemma. The Military history Wikiproject has created the campaignbox template, which helps connect related battles. Look at any WWII battle (or just about any major battle at all) to see this campaignbox, listing all the battles before and after it in a certain campaign.

However, the Sengoku period is not nearly as well defined as a proper war like WWII. Thus, I have chosen to separate the battles out by which of the major warlords fought them. I've created campaignboxes for "Campaigns of the Hojo", "Takeda", "Toyotomi Hideyoshi", and "Oda Nobunaga". (The list of all the campaignboxes can be found here.)

However, sometimes these warlords fought one another, and their battles therefore overlap. It has been decided that it is bad form to have any one battle listed on multiple campaignboxes. Thus, I am stuck with something of a dilemma. I suppose the only recourse is to decide for each battle, on a case-by-case basis, which campaign to put it in. Does the Battle of Nagashino belong in 'campaigns of the Takeda' because they instigated the battle, and because it marks the end of their power? Or does it belong in 'campaigns of Oda Nobunaga' because it marks a major victory on his part, of his gunners over the famed Takeda cavalry? Or does it belong under 'campaigns of Tokugawa Ieyasu', because it represents one of Tokugawa's first major battles and the beginnings of his rise to power?

Or should I do something really silly, and ignore entirely whose battles are whose, dividing the entire Sengoku period by decades, or by geography? Thanks for your input and ideas. LordAmeth 06:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't know if a regional box would be helpful, e.g. Sengoku battles of Chubu region. Another possibility would be to organize the information in a separate article, e.g. Chronological list of battles in Japan. If each battle is a section, you can link directly into it... Fg2 07:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Scrap the rules and list in in both boxes. --Mkill 11:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree ... omitting battles from certain warlords' campaigns simply to follow this one-battle-per-box rule would be a confusing disservice to the reader. CES 13:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

What are the purposes of the battle box? To summarize a battle? To put it in context? To provide convenient links to articles on other battles, combatants, places etc?

Next, what are the problems with doing this? Does the box get too big if you cover the entire Sengoku? Does the box get to be bigger than the article? Is it awkward to create or maintain?

Does Wikipedia allow templates within templates? That is, can you create a campaign box (which is a template) and plug in two templates --- one for Takeda and another for Oda Nobunaga?

Maybe these questions help clarify the issues and help you decide on a direction. Fg2 07:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I think for now, I'm going to go with Mkill's suggestion. Why not list a battle under both, and show both campaignboxes? This is an incredible navigational aid for the user; and unlike a campaignbox that covered the whole period or was split by geography, doing it by warlord allows a narrative to be told... Thanks for the encouragement Mkill. LordAmeth 01:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Buddhist temples in Japan

A short while ago, I noticed that the only article on Japanese Buddhist temples was the list of Buddhist temples worldwide. I therefore began an article called Buddhist temple (Japan). It is meant to cover the history of architectural styles, the traditional layout of a temple grounds, the structures typically found at a temple (i.e. Great Hall, Founder's Hall, Pagoda, etc.)... I did some preliminary work on it, but realized I have neither the time nor the resources (texts) to do much more on my own. Thus, I bring it to your attention; I'll go nominate it for Collaboration of the Month, but I thought I might attract some attention here too. (If you look at the articles on Cathedral, Monastery, and Basilica, you'll see the kind of length and detail I was thinking of putting into this article.) Thanks!! LordAmeth 02:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Request for the help of a Japanese-Speaker

A user has added the singer Ayumi Hamasaki to the page List of best-selling music artists. As a source, the user has provided a website in Japanese - I was wondering if someone could take the time to verify that this page claims she has sold over 50million records in her career?

The list only looks at reasonable claims made, and counts sales of all singles and albums, so that is the information that ought to be on the link somewhere. The page is: [1].

Thanks Robdurbar 13:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I didn't see sales figures there. Does anyone else see them? Fg2 21:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I just went through the whole site but I couldn't find anything like that. 50 million seems like a big number for a Japanese singer whose career has only spanned 6 years. --awh (Talk) 08:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

This Wikipedia entry Ayumi_Hamasaki_discography claims that the total of albums and singles is 43,000,000. --awh (Talk) 08:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you all! Robdurbar 10:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Her career spanned 10 years, which is like a millenium in one-hit-wonder heavy Japan. Her face sells big enough you can't walk 100 meters in Tokyo without seeing her face on some ad. If there is a Japanese Madonna, it would be her. (And yes, neither like her face nor her music, but fact is fact.) -- Mkill 00:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Name Order Discussion

The discussion of name order has started again at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles/Name order. Fg2 21:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

List ordering

A new discussion about a a different type of ordering has been started at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Ordering of Lists. This is about the order of lists of Japanese words on the English Wikipedia. Neier 22:17, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Japanese name of "Unversity Control Law"

I found "Unversity Control Law" In to-do list but could not imagine Japanese name. Can someone tell me which law is it? Or does it indicates an old law "大学令"? --Corruptresearcher 01:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The name does not sound the same, but the Japanese article ja:大学 refers to 学校教育法第53条 gakkō kyōikuhō dai 53 jō or "Article 53 of the School Education Law." The article ja:学校教育法 includes a section (4.5) on universities. There might be a more specific law governing the (former) national university system. I'll see what I can find. Fg2 01:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Now I found it. It is Law for Temporary Measures concerning University Management or ja:大学の運営に関する臨時措置法. It was called as "University Control Law" or "大学管理法" from oppornents.

Glad you did! I'm sorry I wasn't able to help. Fg2 20:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Parasite singles nominated for deletion

The article Parasite singles has been nominated for deletion. If you have an opinion, please visit the article and click on the link to "this article's entry" to express your view. Fg2 09:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for always bringing these to everyone's attention Fg2 CES 12:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome!

The result of the discussion was keep. Fg2 02:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Kon-nichiwa

Wikipedia is testing a new deletion method, Proposed Deletion. The article Kon-nichiwa has been nominated for proposed deletion. If you have an opinion about this, please visit the article. Fg2 02:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ditto Sandoicchi

Also Tsuruoka Yuji

Articles for Deletion: Towa Oshima

Through the regular deletion process Fg2 07:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Categories related to Japanese religion, mythology, folklore

Over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japanese mythology, we're trying to sort out the categorization tree for Category:Religion in Japan, Category:Japanese mythology, Category:Japanese folklore, and related categories. Please drop by; greater input is very desirable. — BrianSmithson 19:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

A Taxing Woman

The page for the A Taxing Woman film has some question marks next to the Japanese title. Could someone check if the name is correct and then remove the question marks? Also, if anyone can add info to the article, that would be great. Thank you AdamSmithee 23:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone see the question marks? I thought it may be the nihongo template, but I can't see either a ? or the template in the source. Neier 11:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see them. Perhaps the user has katakana but not hiragana or kanji installed, so that the browser displays マルサ properly but の女 comes out as question marks? Fg2 11:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

So, it is because I don't have the necessary font installed. I thought it was an error on the page that I don't know how to fix. Then, my fault. Sorry and thank you :-) AdamSmithee 13:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

How should you cite Japanese wikipedia?

I've made an edit to Seibu Ikebukuro Line using data pulled from the Japanese page on that line, and in fact I plan to move the chart of station, transfers, and stops over from the same page. How should I go about citing the Japanese wikipedia? --awh (Talk) 11:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's just the article you need: Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia Fg2 07:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

That seems to be an article about how to cite Wikipedia if I was making something else (like, handing in a report for a high-school history class). However, all I want to do is put a note on the English wikipedia page to the effect of "stolen shamelessly from the Japanese page on the same topic" --awh (Talk) 08:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Now I see the goal. Try Wikipedia:Citing sources. This page has the official word. Fg2 09:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's One Millionth Article

Wikipedia seems poised to reach the million-article milestone in a day or two. Will the subject of Article #1,000,000 be a Japan-related topic? If you're looking for suggestions for new articles, have a look at Wikipedia:Japanese Wikipedians' notice board (section)/Topics. Find a red link you know a lot about, research it some more, and write! Fg2 07:40. 28 February 2006 (UTC).