Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Golden White-eye/archive1

Resolved comments from Ucucha

(Moved - Ucucha 14:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

- "The species was once called the Golden Honeyeater as it was considered to be a honeyeater and placed with the genus Ptilotis by French naturalist Émile Oustalet when he described the species in 1889 (that genus is now considered defunct and is no longer used)." - run-on sentence, better split it. Also, the name Golden Honeyeater is probably quite a bit younger than Oustalet's description, but this sentence suggests otherwise.
  - Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks. One more point: the sequence in this section currently suggests that it was transferred to Cleptornis only when it was discovered to be a white-eye instead of a honeyeater, which
- ~~"It is possibly most closely related to the Micronesian white-eyes of the genus Rukia" - where does the Bonin White-eye fit in here?~~
  - I have re-written that section to clarify and further explain the possibilities. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~"On Saipan, the only habitats it is absent from are the grassy savannas and the marshes around Lake Susupe." - are the savannas also around Lake Susupe?~~
  - No idea, my sources don't indicate anything beyond there being marshes around the lake. Is it important? Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - The sentence is slightly ambiguous: do you mean that it is absent from the grassy savannas and marshes that are both around Lake Susupe, or that it is absent from the marshes around the lake and the savannas somewhere else? Ucucha 19:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Oh I see. Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~"14 cm (5.5–9 in)" - cm should also have a range.~~
  - I have no idea where the range in size in inches came from - I didn't add it. HBW only has 14 cm. I'll have to do some hunting. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Removed larger end of range pending a source. Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I found the following sources that are not currently used in the article in the Zoological Record:
  - Title: Microhabitat partitioning among small passerines in a Pacific island bird community. Author(s): Craig, Robert J.; Beal, Kathleen G. Source: Wilson Bulletin Volume: 113 Issue: 3 Page(s): 317-326 Published: September 2001
    - I guess I overlooked this paper due to its similarity to another paper, but there was some good stuff to work in. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Title: The prehistory of vertebrates, especially birds, on Tinian, Aguiguan, and Rota, northern Mariana Islands. Author(s): Steadman, David W. Source: Micronesica Volume: 31 Issue: 2 Page(s): 319-345 Published: May 1999
    - Pretty much everything in here is covered by Steadman's book that I used. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Title: The golden honeyeater (Cleptornis marchei): notes on behaviour, vocalisations and taxonomic affinities. Author(s): Bruce, M.D. Source: Bonner Zoologische Beitraege Volume: 29 Issue: 4 Page(s): 441-445 Published: 1978
    - Can you help with this one? I can't even find it! Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - It is (probably) not available online. I can have a look at it myself the next time I visit the library, but it is pretty old and may not in fact contain much new data. Do newer papers cite it? According to the Zoological Record, the abstract is "The golden honeyeater represents the only avian genus endemic to the Mariana Islands of Micronesia where it was recorded from Saipan and Agiguan. Morphology, behavior, vocalizations and taxonomic affinities of C. marchei were discussed. Other taxa discussed include Zosterops conspicillatus, Eliminia longicauda, Timeliopsis, Meliphaga, Foulehaio, Apalopteron, Lophozosterops, Heleia, Rukia and Megazosterops." They also give some key words indicating that it discusses feeding, aggressive and comfort behaviour and calls. Ucucha 19:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        It is cited by HBW, but they cite everything. Presumably anything important in the paper made it to HBW, like the calls, which are described in HBW but I haven't seen discused anywhere else. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Title: [Title unknown.] Author(s): Hartert Source: Nov. Zool. Volume: v Page(s): Unpaginated Published: 1898
    - From the summary, this appears to say that Oustalet had originally ascribed eggs to this species that turned out to be of a Zosterops. Might be an interesting addition.
- I can help with access to a few of those sources if needed. Ucucha 01:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. It's Saturday evening, I just got in from a day out and am exhausted. I promise to attend to your points tomorrow (although I suspect I will certainly need help in finding a paper where the title is unknown!). Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first page is here and the part about this bird is here. No problem; I can wait. Ucucha 13:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The bit about the eggs was interesting but rather trivial. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]