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Requested move at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ecgberht, King of Wessex#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 03:48, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC
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Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. FOARP (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Supermarine Spitfire
[edit]Supermarine Spitfire has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision#Requested move 30 January 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2025 Potomac River mid-air collision#Requested move 30 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 06:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Trebizond#Requested move 17 January 2025
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An editor has requested that Trebizond be moved to Trebizond (disambiguation), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TiggerJay (talk) 05:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Edwin Donayre
[edit]Edwin Donayre has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

An editor has requested that KN-02 Toksa be moved to Hwasong-11, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. TCU9999 (talk) 11:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Article bounty: Badush prison massacre
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Hello,
WikiProject Human rights is posting its first article bounty! Using article bounties, we aim to improve vital articles about human rights. Currently, there are 2 top-importance and 49 high-importance human rights articles that are rated as stubs. Among them is the article Badush prison massacre, which is the subject of this bounty. You are receiving this message because this WikiProject is listed on that article's page. Editors who improve this article may be eligible for various rewards, or "bounties".
Bounties will be awarded for improving the article in the following ways:
For expanding the article to 500 words: The Minor Barnstar
For expanding the article to 1000 words: The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For promoting the article to GA: The Human Rights Barnstar
Criteria
[edit]- Once the article is at 500 words, if you have contributed at least 1,250 characters on the revision history statistics page, you can reply to this post to receive The Minor Barnstar.
- Once the article is at 1,000 words, if you have contributed at least 3,000 characters on the revision history statistics page, you can reply to this post to receive The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar.
- Once the article is promoted to GA, if you are the nominator, you can reply to this post with a link to the successful GA review to receive The Human Rights Barnstar.
- Contributions must be of sufficient quality. This is subjective, and the bounty coordinator reserves the right to withhold bounties from editors whose contributions are of insufficient quality.
If you have any questions about the bounty or help with the GA process, feel free to message the bounty coordinator, Spookyaki, or reply to this post. If you are unsure where to start, check out the refideas on the article's Talk page.
Spookyaki (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 22:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tahmasp's campaign of 1731#Requested move 28 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Adding commanders/leaders to infobox not supported by body of article per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for David Irving
[edit]David Irving has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Indonesian National Revolution
[edit]Indonesian National Revolution has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine § Close up photo of dead body, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Jr8825 • Talk 20:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC).
Good article reassessment for Przemysł II
[edit]Przemysł II has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
Three requests (for project input)
[edit]Related to the RFC at Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip:
- Could someone, either as a separate article or as a redirect to a relevant section, create bomb tonnage and explain whether "70,000 tons" means the gross weight vs TNT equivalent?
- Could someone create a List of bombs by tonnage ("Grand Slam (bomb): 5 tons." [Or maybe is 6.5, because I don't know which is the right number in the infobox])? I assume this would be more of a "top 10" list than a list of every single bomb ever.
- Could someone create a List of bombings by tonnage that would say things like "* Vietnam war: US dropped 4.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam from 1965 to 1970 [1] * WWII: Allies dropped a total of 7K tons of bombs on Dresden [2]" or whatever would be useful?
WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Cheers for posting honestly I am not sure such a list would be a good idea I've followed the link for the 70k claim and its an estimate from a human rights organisation!? That probably explains why its so confusing - they dont give a methodology and they clearly have their own bias.
- Might I suggest satellite observation of Gaza and estimates of %homes / structures damaged / destroyed etc might be a better metric that would have less confusion but still convey somewhat of the scale of destruction. But would do so in a way that cant be confused and isnt based on "back of the menu" calculations from people not specialised in military technical matters. LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good suggestion. Donner60 (talk) 00:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Operation Ten-Go
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Operation Ten-Go that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Sophisticatedevening (talk) 13:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
Bit of a kerfuffle, lots of media-coverage. Interested editors welcome to involve themselves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for 45th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States)
[edit]45th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 01:47, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2025 Goma offensive#Requested move 15 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2025 Goma offensive#Requested move 15 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
Featured article review for Felice Beato
[edit]I have nominated Felice Beato for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 05:11, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Mohammad Fahim#Requested move 17 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mohammad Fahim#Requested move 17 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sophisticatedevening (talk) 14:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Siege of Constantinople (860)
[edit]Siege of Constantinople (860) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Dyed shells (Request for comment on article page)
[edit]I asked a question over at Talk:Shell (projectile)#Dyed shells about whether we have an article about the practice of putting coloured dye in naval artillery shells. (copying the link here for visibility) -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:34, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Battle of the Plains of Abraham
[edit]Battle of the Plains of Abraham has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Timeline of the Gaza war#Requested move 9 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Timeline of the Gaza war#Requested move 9 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 13:25, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
Move discussion at Russian invasion of Ukraine
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An editor has requested that Russian invasion of Ukraine be moved to Russo-Ukrainian War (2022–present), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. FOARP (talk) 08:24, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:KN-02 Toksa#Requested move 5 January 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:KN-02 Toksa#Requested move 5 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Regular army#Requested move 13 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Regular army#Requested move 13 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Dan Sullivan (U.S. senator)#Requested move 22 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dan Sullivan (U.S. senator)#Requested move 22 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 12:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

An article (Imjin War) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Chŏngyu War). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. seefooddiet (talk) 20:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
Squire
[edit]I recently made major changes to the Squire article. There had been complaints about the lack of sources going back years. I added sources and some new information, as well as removed some off topic information. I would appreciate it if someone could look over it. It needs work regarding how the information is organized and possible more information could be added from the sources I used. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you. DrGlef (talk) 11:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @DrGlef: I have added citation needed tags for the two terminology origin sentences. I have added another for a sentence at the end of a paragraph that has no citation in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/B-Class FAQ b1. The first "in literature" section in the unrevised version seems similar to other popular culture or in literature sections in other articles. I think it might be appropriate to add Esquire to the See also list. Donner60 (talk) 05:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Esquire is linked in the article's Terminology section, so it shouldn't appear in the See also list per WP:NOTSEEALSO. BilCat (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- The link was removed from the See also section. Thanks to whomever did that. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:01, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @DrGlef, BilCat, and Fnlayson: My mistake. For some reason the link did not register with me. (Possibly because the entire section about Esquires was removed and I did not look back? In any event, it was blue in the text and I should have noticed it.) Thanks for the correction. Donner60 (talk) 08:40, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- No worries. The article is much better now. Thanks -Fnlayson (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- The link was removed from the See also section. Thanks to whomever did that. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:01, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Esquire is linked in the article's Terminology section, so it shouldn't appear in the See also list per WP:NOTSEEALSO. BilCat (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Lists of commanding officers in RAF squadron articles
[edit]Hello, many of the articles on RAF squadrons have long lists of individuals who have commanded the squadron, usually going all the way back to when they were formed often over 100 years ago. Many are only partial lists or unsourced and most names on the lists do not link to an article on the individual, as presumably they aren't notable enough to have one. Examples can be found at No. 1 Squadron RAF; No. 2 Squadron RAF; No. 16 Squadron RAF; and No. 31 Squadron RAF.
Having had a looked some of the project's featured articles on military units, some do include a list of commanders, but this is where units were fairly short-lived, so the number of commanders is reasonable and most of those listed are notable enough to have their own article. For example 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian); 15th Tank Corps; or 70th Infantry Division (United Kingdom). In contrast, the lists in the RAF squadron articles are getting longer and longer as squadron commanders are typically only in post for two years. I tend to think that such lists do not align with Wikipedia:NOTDIRECTORY and Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA, as much of the list content is only there as it has verifiable existence, rather than being encyclopedic.
Would welcome thoughts on removing such lists and perhaps as an alternative have a section on squadron members who achieved anything notable whilst at the squadron like at No. 23 Squadron RAF, or integrating notable individuals/events into the main body of article.
Thanks Thx811 (talk) 22:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, at squadron level, ie with a wing commander (lieutenant colonel equivalent) as squadron commander, some will go on to meet the notability threshold, and others won't. Corps and divisional commanders who have commanded in combat are pretty likely to be notable in terms of coverage, peacetime-only ones not necessarily. I would convert those sections into "Notable commanders" and include only those who are notable, not every commander. For squadrons with an ongoing existence or that are re-raised the list of notable commanders will need to be monitored because some previously non-notable commanders will reach the point where they become notable. For example, Chris Nickols most likely was not notable in 1996 when he relinquished command of No. 2 Sqn RAF, but he certainly was by the time he became Chief of Defence Intelligence in 2009. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:57, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that notable commanders should be included, even if they only became notable after they'd left the squadron. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fully agree that lists which include non notables should be removed and notables mentioned in the prose. Something worded similar to WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS Lyndaship (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Broadly agree with this idea, and probably long overdue at that.
- I hope I'm stating the obvious when I say that the existing list should be vetted, to see if any non-notables have gained an article in recent years. A real PIA for some of the longer lists. Feel free to ping me and I'll contribute where I can.
- Rather than simply delete the surplus names, park them somewhere where they are still visible to future editors, but not casual readers.
- WendlingCrusader (talk) 11:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Following my own suggestion, I just checked out one of the lists that you mentioned - No. 31 Squadron RAF
- Starting with some of the more recent candidates; a search for Wg Cdr Richard Yates OBE threw up two spanners straight away;
- Major Richard Yates Henderson KCVO, Lord Lieutenant of Ayrshire and Arran. Notable, but not our man.
- Wg Cdr Richard Sydney Yates, MC & MM ("Double gallantry"). Entered military service as a boy soldier and retired as a Wing Commander. So we have a potentially notable Wing Cdr, but still not the right one! This guy was in charge of Balloons at RAF Cardington around 1937, not Tonkas at Marham in 2012.
- Meanwhile two of the other recent Wing Commanders, who had already made Group Captain, are now Air Commodores, and could yet be promoted further. I would be tempted to put them on a 'pending' list. (FYI - Yates & Bressani)
- This is not going to be easy! WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
Our project's articles at FARGIVEN
[edit]For background, WP:FARGIVEN is a running list of featured articles that have been listed as possibly needing featured article review. I know FAR can be a bit of a nuisance when it comes out of the blue, especially if the article doesn't actually need featured article review. I've been trying to prune down the listing this month, and have removed several entries that are in good enough shape, and have sent a weather article to FAR that did need it. I know this is a bit of an ask, but if we could get some eyes on the MILHIST ones on the listing proactively, that would be useful. The initial concerns that led to the listing are linked to on FARGIVEN; any further discussion resulting from that can be found on the article talk page, although some of the older ones on high-volume talk pages have probably been archived by now. If a consensus forms that the article's OK, we can mark it as satisfactory for WP:URFA/2020 and remove it from the danger listing. If FAR is necessary, these can be sent there by interest editors as needed (keeping in mind that we shouldn't flood FAR so that people actually have a chance to work on these one by one if desired). Yes, that initiative is still alive and well, although it had a down year in '24, partly because I was too burned out and jaded to help with it. Hog Farm Talk 03:55, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- Józef Piłsudski (20th-century Poland, on listing since September 2020)
- 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash (1968 nuclear mishap, November 2020)
- Ivan Bagramyan (Soviet office, February 2021)
- Battle of Corydon (American Civil War, October 2022)
- History of Lithuania (1219–1295) (Medieval Europe, December 2022)
- Władysław II Jagiełło (Medieval Europe, December 2022)
- David I of Scotland (Medieval Europe, December 2022)
- Second Crusade (Crusading era, December 2022)
- USS New Jersey (BB-62) (American battleship, January 2023)
- Moe Berg (not currently tagged for MILHIST but most of his notoriety is as a WWII spy, March 2023)
- Falaise pocket (WWII, March 2023)
- Surrender of Japan (WWII, June 2023)
- Augustus (Roman emperor, August 2023)
- Battleship (Class of warship, February 2025)
I know we're all busy, especially with our own article-writing projects and the recent return of the WP:GAR process with a vengeance, but I do think there is value in this, while admitting that my own personal attention to FAR has dropped greatly in the last year and a half due to being very busy and discovering Panzer Campaigns and its cousin Civil War Battles. Hog Farm Talk 03:55, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have looked at 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash and Falaise pocket and I don't see anything major wrong with them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thule looks good enough (one source supporting half a sentence [Global Security] is not RS). Falaise Pocket has some lead issues with details like dates found in the lead but not in the rest of the article; but that is fixable and I may make an attempt to rewrite the lead myself. Hog Farm Talk 18:22, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Battleship is in a rough state, but I’m planning on beating it into halfway decent shape as soon as I finish my current writing project. Parsecboy (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thule looks good enough (one source supporting half a sentence [Global Security] is not RS). Falaise Pocket has some lead issues with details like dates found in the lead but not in the rest of the article; but that is fixable and I may make an attempt to rewrite the lead myself. Hog Farm Talk 18:22, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
Coords query
[edit]Just clicked on a few coordinates and got pages like [3], is something wrong? Keith-264 (talk) 11:50, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- That link seems to work for me, but I've also had a few issues with them lately. Seems to be an intermittent problem. CMD (talk) 11:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, I wondered if the problem was at my end, the laptop being somewhat dilapidated. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 13:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
People's armed police provincial units
[edit]Hey everybody,
Turns out People's Armed Police provincial units are called "corps" and not "contingents"(which for the 1st and 2nd mobile contingents is correct, just not for provincial units). If you see any article with text such as "People's Armed Police (province name) contingent" please change it to "People's Armed Police (province name) corps". I have posted this on wikiproject china and will also post this on wikiproject law enforcement Thehistorianisaac (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
WikiProject Christianity - Help needed
[edit]We could use some help getting reorganized over at WikiProject Christianity. Things we could use help with are:
- Setting up the newsletter delivery system/figuring out how it works.
- Setting up templates/updating templates
- Setting up the organization of coordinators and such.
The reason I am reaching out to you guys is you have been a very successful project. I am hoping you have someone who knows how to work project systems and templates as I sure don't and I am not sure if anyone else in our project does. I will warn you though that they may have to be redone as the systems are quite old now, most things seem to have shut down 4-8 years ago. It would be helpful if you guys could train a few of us how to run the systems and set them up so that we don't have to keep coming back to you. Thanks. Sheriff U3 | Talk | Con 07:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- @WP:MILHIST coordinators: We could use some help see above. Awaiting your response. Sheriff U3 | Talk | Con 19:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- I know how our project systems and templates work. We have documented them too - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Ok I hope they are similar then, these two projects from what I know were made at about the same time. Will take a look. Thanks! Sheriff U3 | Talk | Con 23:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Contact me on my talk page for further help. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:09, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ok will do. Sheriff U3 | Talk | Con 21:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Contact me on my talk page for further help. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:09, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ok I hope they are similar then, these two projects from what I know were made at about the same time. Will take a look. Thanks! Sheriff U3 | Talk | Con 23:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- I know how our project systems and templates work. We have documented them too - see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
RFA Belgol
[edit]The HMS Belgol article has been nominated for deletion. Please do not move the article while discussion is ongoing. Feel free to comment at the AfD nomination. Mjroots (talk) 05:56, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine#Requested move 24 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine#Requested move 24 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPathtalk 09:30, 3 March 2025 (UTC)