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New tool for photo scavenger hunts
A new system to simplify uploading images for participants of Wikipedia Takes The City and similar contests has come online this week. Wikipedia Takes The City is a free content photography scavenger hunt contest regularly planned in cities all around the world, where teams compete to take photographs of particular goals for illustrating Wikipedia articles, where they are needed.
According to Pharos, the system has a generalized interface with a number of useful features and will eventually be available in multiple languages. (The interface is currently in English.) The primary goal of this system is to provide an easy mechanism for uploading and sorting large numbers of images, especially for non-Wiki users, who often have great difficulty using either Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia for uploading.
Kaldari explains that the uploading interface is similar to that of popular photo-sharing service Flickr, which allows multiple files to be uploaded at once. It also provides an easy to use interface for contest organizers to set-up new scavenger hunts and to review the photos from each team before they are published to Commons. The system is not limited to city-based scavenger hunts; contests could be organized across entire countries or limited to something as small as an art museum.
Kaldari and Pharos are the primary developers of the system. An early prototype was demoed at the Multimedia Usability Project Meeting in France.
Any Wikimedians interested in setting up new photo scavenger hunts using the tool should read through the instructions on the site and contact Kaldari or Pharos for further assistance.
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Arbitration Committee Election: Nominations closing November 24
The annual Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) elections are now underway. Arbitration is the final stage of Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, and the members of ArbCom are typically experienced and respected project volunteers. The 2009 election will select as many as eight new arbitrators, who will begin their terms on 1 January 2010.
Meet the candidates
The election process has officially started and candidates can now nominate themselves. Nominations close at 23:59 UTC on 24 November. Nomination is open to any editor in good standing who has at least 1000 mainspace edits as of 10 November 2009, and who is over the age of 18 and of legal age at the editor's place of residence. Candidates are not required to be administrators or to have any other special permissions.
At press time 23 candidates had nominated themselves for this year's election, with 4 new candidates since the last report. A comprehensive overview of each of the candidates can be examined at the General Summary page.
- AGK (Candidate statement)
Chutznik (Candidate statement)- Cla68 (Candidate statement)
- Coren (Candidate statement)
- Fred Bauder (Candidate statement)
- Fritzpoll (Candidate statement)
- Hersfold (Candidate statement)
- Jehochman (Candidate statement)
- Kirill Lokshin (Candidate statement)
- Kmweber (Candidate statement)
- KnightLago (Candidate statement)
- Mailer diablo (Candidate statement)
- MBK004 (Candidate statement)
- RMHED (Candidate statement)
- Ruslik0 (Candidate statement)
- Seddon (Candidate statement)
- Shell Kinney (Candidate statement)
- SirFozzie (Candidate statement)
- Steve Smith (Candidate statement)
- Unomi (Candidate statement)
- Wehwalt (Candidate statement)
- William M. Connolley (Candidate statement)
- Xavexgoem (Candidate statement)
Update
Chutznik withdrew their candidature 24 November, while one more user has nominated themselves before the close of the deadline:
Questions for candidates
The call for general questions to the candidates closed on November 17. Twenty-one editors submitted general questions, which have been transcluded to the question pages of each and every candidate, reachable through the respective candidate statement. Thirty-six general questions have been asked.
Individual questions may still be asked of each candidate until 23:59 1 December 2009, on his or her "/Questions for the candidate" subpage. Editors are asked to keep questions succinct and relevant, and to ensure they do not overlap with a general question, or with an individual question that has already been asked of the candidate. Candidates are not required to respond to mass questions asked in the individual questions that are not individualised.
Questions may be asked by any editor who is eligible to vote. To vote, you must have an account registered with at least 150 mainspace edits before 23:59 UTC on 1 November 2009. This total includes deleted edits. You may use this utility to check your eligibility. If you have questions about the voting process, or to have an administrator verify your deleted edits, please ask.
Timeline and links
Here are the important dates for the 2009 ArbCom elections:
- 10 November – Candidate nominations open and the question period commences
- 17 November – Call for general questions closes
- 24 November – Nominations close
- 1 December – Voting begins
- 14 December – Voting ends
- by 21 December – results announced by Jimbo Wales (expected date)
Requests for comment (RFC)
The requests for comment examining aspects of the overall ArbCom election process have been closed. A summary of the results is expected to be presented in a timely manner.
Update
The summary of the request for comment has now been posted by UltraExactZZ. The bullet points are that:
- The Arbitration Committee shall consist of 18 Members elected to 2 Year Terms.
- Arbitrators will be elected by Secret Ballot using the Securepoll extension.
- Ballots will invite editors to Support or Oppose candidates.
- Voters must have 150 mainspace edits before the election cycle to vote (Status Quo)
Discussion of the poll and its findings are welcomed at The RFC's Talk Page.
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"Wikipedia Forever" fundraiser continues
| Fundraiser 2005 21 February 2005 |
| Fundraiser 2006 18 December 2006 |
| Fundraiser 2007 22 October 2007 |
| Fundraiser 2008 10 November 2008 |
The fundraiser continues, with two banners, [1] and [2] adopted from community suggestions. A special page which tracks the banners is available here. According to Head of Community Giving Rand Montoya, the technical issue which caused problems with the way the new credit card process software reported donations in currencies other than US$ has been resolved.
Fundraiser response
Wikipedia should have received by now the Nobel Prize for Peace. It is the first project to prove that human cooperation on a global scale is not only possible but very efficient too.
— Anonymous, donor[3]
This table shows the statistics for days six through thirteen of the fundraiser, along with the equivalent data for the past two years. Donations to international chapters are excluded from these totals; although 50% of chapter revenue will be reinvested in the Foundation. Figures have been rounded to the nearest dollar.
A live feed of donor comments can be viewed here, and an overview of donations here.
| Year | Day | Donations | Money Raised (US$) | Average Donation (US$) | Max Donation (US$) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 6 | 949 | 28,635 | 30.17 | 860 |
| 7 | 794 | 30,097 | 42.39 | 10,000 | |
| 8 | 710 | 27,832 | 27.82 | 513 | |
| 9 | 692 | 20,662 | 29.86 | 518 | |
| 10 | 669 | 30,930 | 46.23 | 10,000 | |
| 11 | 582 | 22,108 | 37.89 | 2,000 | |
| 12 | 542 | 17,890 | 33.01 | 399 | |
| 13 | 1325 | 41,268 | 31.15 | 1,000 | |
| 2008 | 6 | 2,118 | 60,775 | 28.69 | 1,000 |
| 7 | 1,999 | 56,261 | 28.14 | 1,000 | |
| 8 | 1,873 | 56,719 | 30.28 | 5,000 | |
| 9 | 1,720 | 46,867 | 27.25 | 500 | |
| 10 | 2,378 | 69,480 | 29.22 | 1,000 | |
| 11 | 1,548 | 46,774 | 30.22 | 1,000 | |
| 12 | 1,741 | 52,520 | 30.34 | 1,000 | |
| 13 | 1,733 | 64,181 | 37.03 | 10,000 | |
| 2009 | 6 | 1,057 | 23,591 | 22.32 | 11,000 |
| 7 | 1,947 | 64,412 | 33.08 | 1,000 | |
| 8 | 2,652 | 83,378 | 31.44 | 1,000 | |
| 9 | 2,748 | 99,678 | 36.27 | 5,001 | |
| 10 | 2,675 | 74,529 | 27.86 | 1,189 | |
| 11 | 2,372 | 95,963 | 40.46 | 5,000 | |
| 12 | 2,391 | 87,323 | 36.52 | 2,222 | |
| 13 | 2,296 | 77,257 | 33.651 | 562 |
Links
There are two current pages on Meta for feedback about the fundraiser:
- Launch feedback, for feedback about technical problems with the launch
- Alternative banners, for suggesting new or modified banners.
On the English Wikipedia, there are two pages for discussion about the fundraiser:
- Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia Forever
- Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Fundraising headers
And if you're looking to donate, the form is at wmf:Donate.
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Government stubs, Suriname exhibit, and more
Expanded coverage of municipal governments
Every five years, the U.S. Census Bureau performs the Census of Governments, a nationwide survey of American government at all levels, including local-level and special purpose governments, like housing, stadium, and parking. Two editors from WikiProject Pennsylvania, Dthomsen8 and Blargh29, proposed using a bot to create stubs for about 1,700 municipal authorities in Pennsylvania. Even though this was to be a Pennsylvania specific endeavor, it was thought that this could be the first step to creating stubs for every special purpose government in the United States.
However, consensus developed at the Village pump against such an article-creating bot. Instead, the data from the Census of Governments was used to create Pennsylvania county-specific lists of these municipal authorities. For instructions on how to manipulate this data to get lists created quickly, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pennsylvania#Lists of municipal authorities.
President of Suriname visits WMF-partnered museum exhibit
The 10 August edition of The Signpost reported that the Tropenmuseum of Amsterdam had partnered with WMF Netherlands and the Open Progress Foundation to hold a collaborative exhibit about the cultural history of Suriname. Suriname is the smallest sovereign state in terms of area and population in South America. The country is the only Dutch-speaking region in the Western Hemisphere that is not a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. According to the Tropenmuseum's official Twitter feed, President Ronald Venetiaan of Suriname visited the museum to see the exhibit this past weekend.[5] First Lady Lisbeth Venetiaan came to the Tropenmuseum last Saturday and was so impressed that she returned with her husband the following day. The Suriname exhibit at Tropenmuseum is the first time a Wikimedia chapter has collaborated with a major museum to hold a joint exhibit.
Edit count
Rich Farmbrough became the first user to pass 500,000 edits on Wikipedia [6], with over 68,000 edits this month alone (many made with AWB). Rich Farmbrough has been one of the top three contributors to Wikipedia by edit count for around three and a half years, dipping only once to fourth place in that time. The Wikipedian with the next highest edit count currently, Rjwilmsi, has made over 360,000 edits (again many with AWB).
Usability study update
The second user study has been posted by the Wikimedia Usability project. The study included 8 in-person interviews about editing Wikipedia, focusing on the effectiveness of the beta interface changes the usability project has made so far. The full report including videos is available on the usability wiki.
Briefly
- Sue Gardner was awarded the Huffington Post media gamechanger of the year award, coming in first in a field of ten choices.
- It was announced that the 2nd Chinese Wikimedia conference will be held on 26 and 27 December in Macau; information and links are on meta.
- Ongoing fundraiser statistics can be viewed here, while donor comments can be viewed here. Fundraiser notices continue to be switched out based on performance, with the message "Wikipedia is there when you need it—now it needs you" running at 60% of the time on the English Wikipedia last week.
- A new essay at Wikipedia:Make stubs encourages editors to build the encyclopedia by making stubs instead of red links.
- Notability is described as a "measure of the topic's impact" at the new essay at Wikipedia:Notability means impact.
- A new how-to at Wikipedia:Using WebCite gives tips on using WebCite to prevent linkrot.
- A simple mobile interface for Wikipedia has been posted; it's available in French and English.
- Laura Hale, founder of the Fan History wiki, has proposed that the project join the Wikimedia Foundation projects. Discussion ensued on the Foundation-l mailing list, including whether there should be an entertainment-focused Wikimedia project, and whether Fan History's copyright and mission is appropriate for Wikimedia.
Milestones
- The Ukrainian Wikinews have reached 500 news articles.
- The Serbian Wikinews have reached 20,000 news articles.
- The Serbian Wikipedia reaches 100,000 articles with Paklinska ostrva.
- The Acehnese Wikipedia reaches 500 articles.
- The Navajo Wikipedia reaches 1,000 articles.
- The Kikuyu Wikipedia reaches 100 articles.
- The German Wikipedia has reached 980,000 articles
- The Portuguese Wiktionary has reached 70,000 entries.
- The Lojban Wikipedia has reached 49,000 edits.
- The Sorani Wikipedia has reached 500 articles.
- The Occitan Wikipedia has reached 20,000 articles.
This week in history
- 2005 Creative Commons releases initial draft of a license compatible with GFDL
- 2006 Winners of Danny's writing contest
- 2008 200th issue of The Signpost
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The Decline of Wikipedia, and more
WSJ & the decline of Wikipedia
The Wall Street Journal ran a front-page article about Wikipedia on Monday, 23 November. The story, written by Julia Angwin and Geoffrey A. Fowler, is subtitled "Volunteers Log Off As Wikipedia Ages" and focuses on a decline in participation by editors. According to the story, "Volunteers have been departing the project ... faster than new ones have been joining", quoting data by Felipe Ortega, a researcher of Wikipedia who recently wrote a dissertation on comparing contributors across language editions of the site. The article also quotes research by Ed Chi of PARC (see previous story) about occasional contributors' edits getting deleted. The article writes that "Wikipedia's popularity has strained its consensus-building culture to the breaking point", but also writes about the WMF's goals to increase contributor diversity, including starting the "Bookshelf" public outreach project (see previous story).
The article also quotes Ortega, Anikut Kittur (a researcher at Carnegie-Mellon who recently presented his work on participation in Wikipedia at the WikiSym conference), Nina Paley, Sue Gardner, Jimmy Wales, Kat Walsh, Samuel Klein, Andrew Lih, Frank Schulenburg and Mathias Schindler.
There is also a blog post about the topic, and a video interview with the reporters. Julia Angwin also interviewed Andrew Lih, author of The Wikipedia Revolution, and that video interview is also posted. Lih also discusses the topic (and asks for comments) in his blog.
The story was picked up by several other outlets, including CNET and Gawker.
On the Foundation-l mailing list, Felipe Ortega commented that " ... even though the numbers doesn't [sic] seem really good for the sustainability of the project in the long term, I struggle daily to fight against fatalist claims or headlines speculating about the end of the project", pointing to his recently published interview with the Strategy Project for an explanation why the causes might not necessarily be negative.
Briefly
- The launch of Wikipedia was chosen as among the top 10 influential internet moments by the Webby Awards for year 2010. The awards are held annually by the New York-based International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences.
- Interview with Sue Gardner about the future of journalism by The Daily Gleaner.
- Fox News and other outlets reported on Jimmy Wales' visit to Tampa to launch http://tampabayhomeless.wikia.com, a Wikia site for social services in the Tampa Bay, Florida area.
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Discussion report for this week
Foul play on Wikipedia
Thierry Henry's fateful handball has proven to be as contentious on Wikipedia as it has been in football (soccer) following households. The article on France national football team was protected for 36 hours by Camw on 19 November due to excessive vandalism. The same day saw Camw's semi-protection of the article on Henry quickly increased to full protection by Stifle due to "excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy: France/Ireland match fallout". The article regarding the Republic of Ireland national football team has seen a low level of vandalism but has yet to be protected at any level.
The article created to summarise the match itself, France vs Republic of Ireland (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off), has proven to be equally contentious. The article has been edited 384 times by 95 editors since its creation, and was nominated for deletion on 19 November by chandler who stated "There's already precedent on not having articles the day after a controversial refereeing decision was made." The deletion debate has amassed 364 edits since being opened, with 107 editors expressing an opinion. The article Hand of Frog has similarly been nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hand of Frog. Historical precedents include Argentina v England (1986 FIFA World Cup quarter-final) and its redirect Hand of God goal. Three community requests for comment are currently open on the issue, see below for details.
Policy report
WP:Update has monthly reports of changes to all the policy pages in subcategories of Wikipedia policy and guidelines (except "legal") and all the General style guidelines going back to mid- to late 2008. Since September, policy reports have also been generated a week before the end of each month, in the hope that editors will use the information to discuss policy changes before the Update at the end of the month. Any editor is welcome to edit the reports or start a new report at WP:Update/3.
Here are some of the changes reported this month at WP:Update/1. Ownership of articles gained two new sections illustrating "ownership"; material similar to this has drifted in and out of the guidance over the years, and it is too soon to say whether it will be retained this time. Something is afoot at Policies and guidelines, and Sock puppetry continues the momentum from last month. The most active content policy page so far this month is Biographies of living persons, followed by Verifiability. Several of the Criteria for speedy deletion were tweaked, and the "Community ban" section at Banning policy was renamed to Community sanctions, with guidance extended in line with the new focus.
Who watches the admins
The recent request for comment regarding Admin Recall held at Wikipedia:WikiProject Administrator/Admin Recall has been closed and summarised. Ben MacDui concluded that "The status quo, whilst garnering some support, is very unpopular. 77% of respondents do not support its continuation. Only one proposal achieved a greater degree of support than opposition—'Wikipedia:Community de-adminship'—which received a majority of 13, and the support of 65% of those who considered it. Hats off to its creator Uncle G (talk · contribs)." This led to the creation of Wikipedia talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC, which aims to refine Community de-adminship through discussion so that a formal Request for comment can be held as to whether or not to adopt the proposal. The drafting process will continue until 8 pm GMT on Monday 4 January 2010.
Deletion round-up
There are a number of contentious deletion debates this week. The article on Wolfgang Werlé has been nominated for deletion here by Grsz as a "marginal BLP". The subject of the article has requested deletion of the article, and is currently suing the WikiMedia Foundation based on German statutes (see last issue). Many Wikipedians believe the article should be kept since the coverage in reliable sources allows a balanced article to be created, while a number believe the article should be deleted as the subject has minimal notability.
- A fifth nomination for Wikipedia Watch at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia Watch (5th nomination).
- The deletion debate of Template:All pages has divided opinion. Participants are unable to agree as to whether the template is better or worse than alternatives such as {{lookfrom}}
- The article on Mishk'vei ishah has been nominated for deletion here as being "more of an essay than an article"" by Avi. Opinion is divided
- List of socialist countries has been nominated for a third time here due to concerns that it is "too simplistic—the world can not be organised into lists as basic as this one". This nomination is by Matt Lewis
- This week's too long didn't read award goes to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oregon High Desert Grotto
- Relisted debate of the week is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SUPER (software), currently on its third relisting
Briefly
- At the Biographies of living persons Noticeboard there are concerns that the Roman Polanski article is being undermined
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (architecture) is a new proposal
- Should we add a small featured star to the caption box near the featured picture so that featured pictures are easier to find? A proposal by Durova is being discussed and refined at the Village Pump
Requests for comment
Fourteen Requests for comment have been made in the week of 16 to 22 November:
- Talk:Thierry Henry 22 November
- Talk:Information Technology Infrastructure Library 22 November
- Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom) 21 November
- Talk:France vs Republic of Ireland (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off) 20 November
- Talk:France vs Republic of Ireland (2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off) 20 November
- Talk:Preventing school violence 19 November
- Talk:Anita Dunn 19 November
- Talk:Switchfoot 18 November
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions 18 November
- Talk:Tom Ammiano 18 November
- Talk:List of professional sportspeople convicted of crimes 18 November
- Talk:Lee Jun Ki 17 November
- Talk:Eckhart Tolle 17 November
- Wikipedia talk:Linking 17 November
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Approved this week
Administrators
Four editors were granted admin status via the Requests for Adminship process this week: JohnCD (nom), Hawkeye7 (nom), Arbitrarily0 (nom) and Atama (nom).
Featured pages
Ten articles were promoted to featured status this week: Nikita Khrushchev (nom), Augustus O. Stanley (nom), Cologne War (nom), Operation Teardrop (nom), Pied Currawong (nom), Arbiter (Halo) (nom), Ton That Dinh (nom), Lundomys (nom), 1941 Atlantic hurricane season (nom) and Supernatural (season 1) (nom).
Nine lists were promoted to featured status this week: List of Major League Baseball awards (nom), List of Oklahoma Sooners in the NFL Draft (nom), Madonna albums discography (nom), List of 1928 Winter Olympics medal winners (nom), List of international cricket centuries by Adam Gilchrist (nom), List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Glenn McGrath (nom), Master of the Rolls (nom), List of Supernatural episodes (nom) and List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Muttiah Muralitharan (nom).
One topic was promoted to featured status this week: Grade I listed buildings in Somerset (nom).
No portals were promoted to featured status this week.
The following featured articles were displayed on the Main Page as Today's featured article this week: Fungus, Wind, Death Valley National Park, Han Dynasty, Electron, Werner Mölders and Grover Cleveland.
Former featured pages
No articles were delisted this week.
One list was delisted this week: List of New England Patriots seasons (nom).
No topics were delisted this week.
Featured media
The following featured pictures were displayed on the Main Page as picture of the day this week: 1889 etching of Zaandam, White coral fungus, Ribbon diagram, Robert F. Kennedy, Cantaloupe, White-faced heron and the Titans depicted by Gustav Doré.
No featured sounds were promoted this week.
No featured pictures were demoted this week.
Eight pictures were promoted to featured status this week and are shown below.
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The Report on Lengthy Litigation
The Arbitration Committee did not open or close any cases this week, leaving five cases open.
Open cases
Tothwolf
The Tothwolf case has entered its second week of deliberations. The case, which concerns a long-standing dispute between Tothwolf and several other editors, was filed by third party Jehochman. No workshop drafting has yet taken place; a draft decision, to be written by arbitrator Wizardman, is expected by 6 December.
Ottava Rima restrictions
The Ottava Rima restrictions case has entered its second week of deliberations. The case was filed by Ottava Rima to appeal an editing restriction imposed following a community discussion on the administrators' noticeboard. A number of proposals have already been made on the workshop page; a draft decision, to be written by arbitrators Wizardman and Rlevse, is expected by 1 December.
Socionics
The Socionics case has entered its seventh week of deliberations. The case was filed by rmcnew, who alleged that Tcaudilllg has engaged in edit-warring and personal attacks. Tcaudilllg has denied the allegations, calling them "ad hominem attacks on [his] character". Drafting arbitrator Carcharoth has drafted a number of proposals on the workshop page; a draft decision was expected by 14 November.
Asmahan
The Asmahan case has entered its tenth week of deliberations. The filing editor, Supreme Deliciousness, alleges that Arab Cowboy has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior on the "Asmahan" article; Arab Cowboy denies the allegations, and claims that Supreme Deliciousness is pursuing a disruptive agenda of his own. The drafting arbitrator, John Vandenberg, has posed a number of questions to the parties, and has drafted a number of proposals on the case workshop. A draft decision in the case was expected by 19 November.
Eastern European mailing list
The Eastern European mailing list case has entered its tenth week of deliberations, and its sixth week of voting. The case concerns a set of leaked mailing list archives which are alleged to show an extensive history of collusion among numerous editors of Eastern European topics. Standard workshop procedures have been suspended for the case, so normal drafting of proposals by the parties and other editors has not taken place.
The proposed decision, written by arbitrator Coren, would strip Piotrus of his administrator status, ban him for three months, and place him under a topic ban for one year; ban Digwuren and Martintg for three months and also place them under year-long topic bans; and issue a number of admonishments and reminders, as well as an amnesty for all participants of the mailing list not otherwise sanctioned. Additional proposals made by other arbitrators include bans for Tymek, Jacurek, and Radeksz, as well as more nuanced topic bans for Piotrus and Digwuren. Voting on the proposals is divided.
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Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News
This is a summary of recent technology and site configuration changes that affect the English Wikipedia. Some bug fixes or new features described below have not yet gone live as of press time; the English Wikipedia is currently running version 1.43.0-wmf.12 (94ed029), and changes to the software with a version number higher than that will not yet be active. Configuration changes and changes to interface messages, however, become active immediately.
Bots approved
One new bot task was approved this past week:
- AnomieBOT (task 34) – To update WP:BAG/Status and notify operators when {{OperatorAssistanceNeeded}} is added to their active BRFAs.
New features
Other news
- Wikimedia Germany has purchased two new database servers for the toolserver, two smaller servers and a disk array. The smaller servers will provide redundancy for the NFS and LDAP, and the database servers will provide redundant access to the MySQL databases. [7]
- A new system has been set up on the toolserver for handling photo scavenger hunts, such as Wikipedia Takes The City. See main story for more information.
- Two new SVN committers were approved this week: Reedy to work on the API, and Abigor for work related to Wikiportrait. [8]
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