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Pong Toss! Frat Party Games

Not as interested in the game itself as I am the controversy, but regardless, I'd like to see this reach GA. Comments etc.? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 08:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Dude, improve the Reception. It looks like crap. GamerPro64 (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, as it turns out, I was looking for constructive criticisms, not "omg this article is shit". Like I said, I'm not interested in the game's content's itself. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Review by MuZemike

General comments

• Images look good. However, it's bad taste to have a picture of yourself in a Wikipedia getting trashed with your friends while playing beer pong. —Just kidding!
• I don't know if it would help the reader much (that is, I think it would somewhat, else I would not recommend this), but consider including a {{main}} article link for Beer pong at the beginning of the Gameplay section.
• It might be better to shorten the title of the last section to plain "Controversy"; an alternative would be to shorten to "Controversy over title and rating".
• Obviously, citations are needed in the Gameplay section as noted. Otherwise everything looks reliably sourced.
• The biggest thing that may hinder a GA nomination would be undue weight given to the controversy section. I think the only thing that can be done here is to expand the Gameplay, Development, and Reception sections. Another idea would be to merge the Reception and Controversy sections somehow. However, that's easier said than done.

MoS/Usage

• It was first released in North America, and was... and "well thought-out and creative", but was wasted
  • – commas need to be omitted since we're not dealing with dependent clauses. (corrected second one for you)
• Players can either choose to play the Pong Toss mode, the standard mode of play, or the Speed Pong mode, which encourages players to use power-ups to negatively effect their opponents in order to sink their ping pong ball first. Each mode has its own top five score list.
  • A lot of commas in there. I would recommend setting off the appositives with dashes instead.
• Pong Toss received very negative reception,
  • Including the very in there is iffy, but that's up to you. I mean, 18/100 is very low for a video game.
• The game features two game modes. The first is called Pong Toss, which allows players to play in a traditional tournament style, and the second is called Speed Pong, which encourages players to use power-ups to negatively effect their opponents to sink their ping pong balls first.
  • Make it into one sentence using a colon, starting with The game features two modes:.
• Players can also create a character to play as.
  • As Robert Stack said in the animated film Beavis and Butt-head Do America: "It is un-American to end a sentence with a preposition!" Needs a reword sans preposition at the end.
• I got grilled on my last FAC for this, but really trivial things like country/region names (i.e. North America, Europe) should not be wikilinked.
• Pong Toss! Frat Party Games received controversy over its title and rating, the former originally being Beer Pong! Frat Party Games.
  • What is originally Beer Pong! Frat Party Games? Suggest a slight reword after the comma to something like formerly titled as or similar to clarify to the reader.
• Concerned parents sent letters to JV Games, its developer, and Nintendo, the...
  • Here is where dashes or simple rewording can clarify things better. It currently reads like you're saying that "JV Games" and "its developer" are two different things. I suggest rewriting as sent letters to Beer Pong's developer JV Games and Nintendo–the producer of the Wii console.
• JV Games Vice President, Jag Jaeger, dismissed concerns,... and Connecticut's Attorney General, Richard Blumenthal,..., etc.
  • I don't think commas are necessary to set off either name, especially when in the former you have another comma two words afterwards. (Also, don't forget the apostrophe after "JV Games"! I made the corrections here for you.)
• cups, it does not warrant
  • Should be a semicolon here instead of a comma (also corrected)
• She added that despite its premise being based on a drinking game, it was about nothing more than tossing ping pong balls into plastic cups, adding that she's unsure of the basis for the statement that the game promotes alcohol abuse and binge drinking.
  • Recommend rewriting this sentence. It seems a bit long to read and kind of trails off. I don't know about the phrase "it was about nothing more"; it doesn't sound right when I read it, but I cannot explain in words why.
• Pong Toss is only available
  • Changing this to Pong Toss is available only.... You can find "Pong Toss" in any college kid's basement. Moving for clarification.
• Don't forget to italicize Publication titles, like Time.
• I believe University of Massachusetts Amherst is the official name of that university, omitting the at.
• despite not only allowed players to see the alcohol, but allow players to consume it.
  • Do you mean despite not only allowing players to see the alcohol, but also allowing players to consume it. if not, it needs a rewording as the current state doesn't read right.
• In its review of Pong Toss!, 1UP.com editor called
  • You're missing the name of the editor. Is it Kyle Stallock or someone else?

Overall, it looks good so far. Fix up the prose and do some expansion, and this article will be on the fast track to GA. MuZemike 00:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments by Someone another

• The most awkward part of the article, the controversy section, is already done and well-cited, so there seems little point in not expanding gameplay, reception and development and getting it nominated. Here's an interview with the developer.
• I'd shorten the controversy heading to plain old 'controversy' and leave it at that.
• Free images are sexy, but are all three needed? One's playing having with the references and the other is squarshing development.
• In gameplay:
  • "which encourages players to use power-ups to negatively effect their opponents to sink their ping pong balls first" to to to, awkward phrasing.
  • "with each successful throw removing a cup from the table." and achieving what?
  • "Players can select from one of three environments to play in, with a choice of different tables." what are the environments? What's meant by different tables - different shapes, different surfaces (affecting gameplay?), different images?
  • "Players can also create a character to play as." awkward phrasing.
• More reviews would be good, but if they're not available what's there already could be easily expanded. The IGN review, for instance, is full-sized yet its presence in the article consists of "IGN called the game "ridiculously shallow" and bordering on "pointless". Graphics? Sound?
• I've upped the article to C-class. Though the three usual sections are undernourished, the volume of sourcing and the fact that the sections are there in the first place means that it's beyond start IMO. There shouldn't be anything stopping you filling it out and getting it up to B then GA. Someoneanother 01:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I've never even played the game, so it'll be hard to fully expand Gameplay. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 03:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)