Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/Interstate 70 in West Virginia

Interstate 70 in West Virginia[edit]

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The result was: Promoted to A-Class! - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 06:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: I would like to submit this article for your consideration. It just passed its GAN, and am hoping it can help out the I-70 Featured Topic.

Nominated by: Admrboltz (talk) 00:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred: 00:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Support I don't normally come to ACR and support off the bat, but for this one, I will make an exception. For those who are wondering why, I was in contact with Admrboltz the other evening on IM discussing the article, and offered all of my suggestions via that venue. At the conclusion of my discussion, I suggested that the article is A-Class worthy. That isn't to say that others won't or can't find avenues of improvements, but for me, the article meets the criteria to be promoted. Imzadi 1979 → 00:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues from Imzadi 1979 → 05:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Some quick comments after recent changes... Can the length of the bridges and tunnel in the exit list be indicated by making the distance a range? For example, if the tunnel is a quarter mile (let's round to 0.3) then maybe its milemarkers are 0.8–1.1 instead of just 0.9.
  - Done --Admr Boltz 15:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The Wheeling Tunnel length is given in the RD, converted to meters and in the History converted to kilometers. Just for consistency, they should match, but really, you don't really need the measurement in the History. It's actually kinda picky, but when using the word "long" or "wide" with a measurement that's an adjective, ideally the extra word is hyphenated into the measurements as well. ({{convert}} has an option to do that.) It's either "The tunnel is a quarter mile (400 m) long." or "The quarter-mile-long (400 m) tunnel is..." or just "The quarter-mile (400 m) tunnel is...". For such a simple fraction like a quarter, a third or a half, I'd prefer to see it it written than in fractional format than 1/4, 1/3 or 1/2.
  - Removed second measurement. --Admr Boltz 15:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "causing travelers ~~to have~~ to detour through Wheeling, or onto I-470". Can you find a source for the detour? [1] mentions using I-470.
  - Already used that page, so added to that sentence as well.
- Last item, but both links in the See also section are in the article already, making them redundant. Maybe we can find something else to insert there though to preserve the section, like the link to National Road? Imzadi 1979 → 10:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done --Admr Boltz 15:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues from Dough 48 72 04:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I have some concerns with this article before I can support it for A-class:

"I-70 enters the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia, Ohio County, and the city of Wheeling as it crosses the Ohio River. Traveling east, the highway intersects and becomes concurrent with U.S. Route 40 (US 40) and US 250, crossing the Fort Henry Bridge from Wheeling Island." Can this sentence be made more clear to say that it crosses the west channel of the Ohio River from Ohio onto the island, intersects US 40 and US 250, and then crosses the east channel of the Ohio River onto the mainland?
Reworded. --Admrboltz (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The route description could use some more detail on the physical surroundings. What kind of development does I-70 run through while passing through Wheeling? Does the road pass woodland or fields in the rural areas?
Added. --Admrboltz (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When describing the portion through Wheeling east of the tunnel, it would help to mention the freeway passes near homes. In addition, some mention should be made of the road passing buildings on Wheeling Island. Dough 48 72 01:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This has been completed. --Admrboltz (talk) 20:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can some more details about the construction of I-70 be added to the history section?
What I could dig up is what was available on the web. --Admrboltz (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to do some offline research to find construction details? Dough 48 72 01:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tried all the databases I have access to via the Salt Lake City Public Library, however their selection of non UT/CO papers is limited to the Christian Science Monitor and the Washington Post, neither of which provided helpful articles. --Admrboltz (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an official WVDOH source that can be used for the mileage in the exit list? Dough 48 72 01:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I have seen. Most states you can use AADT data, but WV only does maps, and there are no mileposts on them. --Admrboltz (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I will support this article in its current state with a disclaimer. If this article is taken to FAC, more research needs to be done for the construction history. Dough 48 72 04:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I support this article for A Class –Fredddie ™

Comments from Fredddie

I have a number of comments. –Fredddie ™ 02:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~The lead is about half as long as I think it should be.~~
- Done maybe. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~The lead doesn't mention the tunnel at all.~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~'32 and 60 thousand cars per day' should read '32–60,000 vehicles per day' unless trucks aren't allowed on the road at all (lead and RD)~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~First sentence of the RD reads too similarly to the first sentence in the lead.~~
- Tweaked. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~It's not exactly clear that the first part of I-70 is on Wheeling Island~~
- Tweaked. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~No description of the US 40/WV 2 interchange. It's really neat.~~
- Added some info. --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~How long is Wheeling Tunnel?~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~You shouldn't use interchange as a verb. While on the subject, I would find another verb to use for intersect. I'm not saying you have to replace it, but I think there's a better way to say it.~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~There is no wikilink for WV 88 in the RD.~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~The US 40/WV 88 interchange could be described in a little more detail.~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~The RD could be a little bit longer. I know it's only 14.5 miles, but a little more can be said.~~
- Done --Admrboltz (talk) 06:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly better than it was before. I will get out the fine-tooth comb and go through it again before I will support. –Fredddie ™ 13:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I struck out the points I'm satisfied with. I still think some more detail can be given about the interchanges. For instance, why is the US 40/WV 2 interchange complex? Having looked at a map, I know it's because US 40/WV 2 are on one-way streets that abut a mountain. –Fredddie ™ 03:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These have been fleshed out a bit more. --Admr Boltz 03:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's good. –Fredddie ™

"Between 32-60,000 vehicles per day on average use the freeway." I know what you mean here, but I'm pretty sure that even on a slow day, more than 32 vehicles use I-70. - Algorerhythms (talk) 15:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Tweaked. --Admrboltz (talk) 17:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - With the "Between" in front of the range, the first construction was correct before Fredddie's suggested change. An en dash is not supposed to be used as a typographic substitute for one word (and) when two words are involved (between... and...). Imzadi 1979 → 23:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think the correct way is "...between 32- and 60 thousand..." –Fredddie™ 03:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Is that is listed currently acceptable? --Admr Boltz 04:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I do like that even better. –Fredddie ™ 04:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I support with no disclaimers. –Fredddie ™ 01:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brief comments: "...the highway meets the eastern terminus of I-470 Before..." I think you forgot a period here.
- Done --Admr Boltz 23:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Between 32,000 and 60,000 vehicles per day on average use the freeway."Again, I have problems with this sentence; I think "per day" should be moved to the end of the sentence. Vehicles per day don't use the freeway. Vehicles use the freeway per day. Well, that's how I think it should be worded, but I could be wrong. --P C B 23:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Tweaked sentence. --Admr Boltz 23:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose seeing lots of prose errors, a lot of them really careless.
- I have requested a WP:GOCE copy-edit and will wait for it before it goes to FAC. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~On the eastern banks of the river, I-70 passes over the city of Wheeling - over?~~
- It's called an elevated freeway. Yes, "over". Imzadi 1979 →
- Changed. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~RD - "The highway passes through a light commercial zone as U.S. Route 40 (US 40) and US 250 become become concurrent"~~
- This was suggested by Dough when he called for more details on the surroundings of the highway. I have changed the pronoun to freeway to indicate that we are referring to I-70, however I do not see a huge issue with this sentence. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - The issue is "become become". --Rs chen 7754 07:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done --Admr Boltz 15:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~The bridge crosses the main channel of the river and the main branch of the Greater Wheeling Trail which parallels the eastern banks of the river. - needs a comma for clarity~~
- Done --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Elevated above the town of Wheeling, a complex interchange with US 40 and West Virginia Route 2 (WV 2) allows access to downtown Wheeling and Benwood. - the interchange is elevated above?
- Yes. The entire freeway is elevated above the town. It does not hit solid land until after the tunnel. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - This isn't made very clear in the article. --Rs chen 7754 08:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have spelled it out a bit more blatantly now. --Admr Boltz 15:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sentence should be moved towards beginning of paragraph. --Rs chen 7754 16:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Why? I think its fine where it is. If it was moved anywhere else in that paragraph I do not feel that it would make sense. The first paragraph is related to the route up to the point where it is no longer elevated. --Admr Boltz 18:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        This information is needed to understand the rest of the paragraph. Just reword it and make it the topic sentence. --Rs chen 7754 19:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Done --Admr Boltz 20:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I-70 curves to the south, the highway intersects US 40 and WV 88, with the ramps from the eastbound lanes crossing underneath the freeway, parallel to Wheeling Creek. - last comma shouldn't be there
- Removed. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - That comma is gone. --Admr Boltz 18:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~The interchange just west of the Wheeling Tunnel, and this interchage are complicated due to the fact that both interchanges are abutted by hills. no comma, spelling error too~~
- Done --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Wheeling Jesuit University's southeastern border is formed by I-70 as it approaches the neighborhood of Elm Grove. - as the university approaches the border?~~
- Done --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~US 40 and WV 88 are intersected again as the highway turns more easterly, - more easterly? are intersected?~~
- Done --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~History - local politicians suggested closing the twin tunnels all together, and to just build the freeway over Wheeling Hill. - sounds angry~~
- Done
~~After opposition from the NAACP and other groups, - why the NAACP? any more details?~~
- Expanded some, and spelled out abbreviation. Budget was another concern, which is listed at the end of that paragraph. --Admr Boltz 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A bit concerned that if these errors were missed, there may be several more. --Rs chen 7754 02:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Provisional support provided that this article is copyedited as planned. I think it's a great article, I'm just a bit concerned that there may have been some things missed during the ACR stage. --Rs chen 7754 21:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.