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Proposals, October 2020

Hypsogastropoda stubs

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Oversized, I propose the following speedy categories:

Gets another one off the list. Waacstats (talk) 07:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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Folklore stubs

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A very large proportion of articles in this general subject area are stubs (especially those on minor figures), but few of them are marked as such in any way, due to a lack of a stub type for them. Those that are, generally have either a {{WikiProject Folklore|class=Stub}} on the talk page (268 so far, from a rather inactive project), or have an over-general stub tag in the article (e.g. {{England-stub}} or whatever), or a misleading one ({{England-history-stub}}, {{England-noble-stub}}, etc.). I've looked through various relevant categories, and am not seeing an appropriate extant stub type. While we do have Category:Mythology stubs ({{Mythology-stub}}) and its subcats, they are both too specific and too unspecific: they're for mythological topics proper (gods and other subjects from religio-spiritual oeuvres); and they do not drill down very precisely, being divided by major cultural grouping only. Folklore is a broad topic, encompassing legendary and quasi-historical figures, folk remedies, traditional fairytales and other folktales, folk arts traditions, etc. And it often tends toward a geographical distribution, so there's no clear way to get at English folklore in the mythology tree, because the European branch of it's broken up into Celtic, Greek, Ancient Roman, and "Norse" (which is arguably an error – should be Germanic, with Norse as a subset along with some sibling categories). I suppose one would default to classifying English as Germanic, though it is culturally a mixture. And there's no proper place for British as a catch-all for that region, since even if you classify English as Germanic, most of the rest of Britain is historically Celtic. But labelling something that is Welsh or Scottish only as culturally Celtic and not geographically British may hide, for a reader, a close relationship of that material to nearby English material. Definitely in folklore, if not so much in mythology as such. However, quite a number of stubs in the mythology tree really belong in this proposed folklore one, as they are not connected to mythology per se, and people have been using that stub cat. out of lack of something that fits better.

I think this should be divided, like the mythology tree, continentally to start with. But then both culturally and nationally. My immediate desire is for the following:

  • Folklore stubs
    • European folklore stubs
    • Folklore stubs by culture (container cat.)
      • Celtic folklore stubs
      • Germanic folklore stubs
    • Folklore stubs by nationality (container cat.)
      • British folklore stubs
        • Cornish folklore stubs
        • English folklore stubs
        • Manx folklore stubs
        • Scottish folklore stubs
        • Welsh folklore stubs
      • Irish folklore stubs

Something like Scottish would be a subcat of both British (geographical) and Celtic (cultural), and so on.

Just by looking at other stub category trees, we can see what structure will be needed for both cultural division (e.g., see the language and music and religion stub cats.), and geographical division (e.g. look at cats. for places, law, government). I think the history stub cats are already dually divided this way.

There is probably much more room for precise subdivision here than under mythology, as much folklore is rather localized and has become more so just over the last 500 years (and there's more folklore than there is mythology), whereas the pagan mythology of, say, the Scots and the Irish was essentially the same, and it didn't vary all that much in key figures, other than their name spellings, from Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, etc.). I see in Category:Celtic mythology stubs only 213 pages. Even if, say 175 of those really are mythology stubs and not folklore ones, it becomes clear that most of the possible articles in this topic are already pretty well developed and are no longer stubs. But the amount of folklore topics that could qualify – from specific probably-not-historical figures and places and creatures, to specific folkloric works or whatever – is a much broader pool of material. E.g., in Category:Arthurian characters alone (and subscats thereof) there are over 300 articles, and many of them are stubs. Have a look in Category:English folklore, which has what seems to be a few thousand articles after you wade through subcategories. Quite a few of those will be stubs.

Having a folklore stub tree also would help break up big "[Countryname] stubs" categories, and clean up stuff mis-sub-categorized (e.g. legendary locations tagged with [Countryname]-geo-stub), or simply not stub-tagged at all. I'm also keeping mind that the main functional purpose of fine stub categorization is stub sorting for wikiproject attention, and that tends to go national more than cultural.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Support as I can't believe it hasn't already been done. I suggest this be set up under Culture stubs | Other culture. Her Pegship (?) 03:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Split of Minnesota geography stubs

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Oversized, templated by county I propose the following additional areas to see where we are

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Split of Mississippi geography stubs

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Oversized, templated by county I propose to split the following areas

This should reduce the category below 800. Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Split of Nebraska geogrpahy stubs

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Oversized, templated by county I propose to split the following areas

  • Category:Nebraska Panhandle region geography stubs - made up of Banner, Box Butte, Chey, Dawes, Deuel, Gard, Kimball, Morrill, Scotts Bluff, Sherid and Sioux counties
  • Category:Eastern Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Antelope, Boone, Burt, Butler, Cass, Cedar, Clay, Colfax, Cuming, Dakota, Dixon, Dodge, Douglas, Fillmore, Gage, Hamilton, Jefferson, Johnson, Knox, Lancaster, Madison, Merrick, Nance, Nemaha, Nuckolls, Otoe, Pawnee, Pierce, Platte, Polk, Richardson, Saline, Sarpy, Saunders, Seward, Stanton, Thayer, Thurston, Washington, Wayne and York counties
  • Category:North Central Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Arthur, Blaine, Boyd, Brown, Cherry, Custer, Garfield, Grant, Greeley, Holt, Hooker, Howard, Keya Paha, Logan, Loup, McPherson, Rock, Sherman, Thomas, Valley and Wheeler counties
  • Category:South Central Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Adams, Buffalo, Chase, Dawson, Dundy, Franklin, Frontier, Furnas, Gosper, Hall, Harlan, Hayes, Hitchcock, Kearney, Keith, Lincoln, Perkins, Phelps, Red Willow and Webster counties

Again this should reduce the main category below 800. Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Polyommatinae stubs

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Oversized category, per petscan the following are both viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Dytiscidae stubs

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Oversized category, per petscan the following is viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Decapod stubs

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Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Weevil stubs

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Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable from articles tagged with Weevil-stub

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Chrysomelidae stubs

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Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Speedies

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Old Man Consequences (talk) 01:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy upmerge templates

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Propose speedy S2 creation of below Taiwan stub upmerge templates for buildings

Twoggo (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

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Speedies

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A collection of templates that have all passed 60 uses and are ready for categories.

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Algeria geography stubs

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Oversized, already has all templates for all the provinces and all the templates with over 60 have categories so I propose the following

this should bring the category down to a reasonable size. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Looks reasonable. Support.Her Pegship (?) 04:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Split of Georgia (US) geo

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Now each state has a county template, I would like to propose the following areas based on [[1]] map:

From the map the Chattahoochee Valley area would only have 34 articles. I have not included the (U.S. State) after Georgia in the category names as the articles describing these areas do not have them. A break down of the counties by area can be seen here. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The article title don't use (U.S. state), but the categories and stub categories do, so I suggest the proposed names include it as well. (See Category:Georgia (U.S. state) geography stubs.) Her Pegship (?) 19:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I may not have been clear in what I meant, we have an article at Georgia (U.S. state) and the categories follow suit with for example the stub category you mentioned, however the articles for the regions are North Georgia, Southwest Georgia, Southeast Georgia, Coastal Georgia and Central Georgia none of which use (U.S. state) so I would not expect categories relating to those having the {U.S. state). Waacstats (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
nb I have changed the two Southern categories from South East Georgia and South West Georgia to Southeast Georgia and Southwest Georgia to match the articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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Split of Alabama geo stubs

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Again each county now has a template, I would like to propose the following:

A break down of the counties by area can be seen here. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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China railway station stubs

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Currently oversized, already has some by administrative division splits, I propose we create templates for the remaining divisions and categories where we have 60+ articles, hopefully this will reduce the size well below 800.

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new 2010s Film Stubs subcategories

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From what I can tell Template:2010s-documentary-film-stub should be moved from a Template to a Category page but I don't have enough permissions to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alison9 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure what this user is asking, but I did notice that someone created Category:2010s documentary film stub, populated by {{2010s-documentary-film-stub}}. I moved the category to the correct name (Category:2010s documentary film stubs), which is now being populated therewith. Her Pegship (?) 21:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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Speedies

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A few templates that have passed 60, I propose the matching categories

Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Georgia (U.S. State) geography stubs

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Currently oversized, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyGA-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Alabama geography stubs

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Currently oversized, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyAL-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Montana geography stubs

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Not oversized but at 792 articles is close, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyMT-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Nevada geography stubs

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Not oversized but at 769 articles is close, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyNV-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Idaho geography stubs

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Not oversized but at 743 articles is close, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyID-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Mississippi geography stubs

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Currently oversized, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyMS-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Nebraska geography stubs

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Currently oversized, I propose we first need templates along the lines of {{FooCountyNE-geo-stub}} to follow other state-geo-stub templates, see list here. Where we have 60 articles I propose the matching category. Then we will need to look for regions, any ideas? Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

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Speedies

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Existing templates with more than 60 uses, I rpopose the following categories:

The last two are from the overpopulated Nigeria geography stubs. Waacstats (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Split of Illinois politician stubs

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Category:Illinois politician stubs is oversized. propose splitting out the state legislators with something like the following but with better names.

Any ideas on the names? Waacstats (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Split of Institutional Revolutionary politician stubs

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How can we have so many parties having more than 800 stub articles!. This time we are in Mexico It looks the majority of these politicians are from the federal level so I suggest which has a little overlap:

next step would probably be a by state or dob split but I suggest we wait and see if these figures are correct first.Waacstats (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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split of South Korean railway station stubs

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Category:South Korean railway station stubs is oversized at 838 while Category:South Korea rapid transit stubs is getting large at 656. Per a quick play on petscan 615 articles are tagged with both templates. I know we normally split train stations by geography and rapid transit by system but does anyone have a problem with:

This might clear existing South Korea rapid transit and the Seoul metro might not have many articles, but the sub cat should have 600+ articles. Waacstats (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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split of year stubs

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Category:Year stubs is oversized, I can't find a country with 60 articles so I propose

with some of the current categories being moved to these where necessary. Waacstats (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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Italian mayor stubs

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Proposing a new category, {{Italy-mayor-stub}} is a speedy at 201 articles and parent category is oversized. Old Man Consequences (talk) 10:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Support per nom. Her Pegship (?) 19:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Speedy support per nom, gets another off the oversized list.. Waacstats (talk) 07:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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