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Proposals, July 2009

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{{Mathematical-biology-stub}} Under Category:Biology Nimbios (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Second split of Category:Brazil stubs

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I said there would be more, another 5 upmerged state templates have reached 60 propose the following (speedy)

more will follow, though these should get the parent off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add to that the following

name of Acre chosen to match existing disambiguation. this will take it off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Self-evident from the category of the same name. I'm a first-timer; I would have thought a stub automatically existed for every category. Am I missing something? Petershank (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's where our hard toil and tears come into play I'm afraid. Your template is way too much of a mouthful. I'd recommend simply {{France-military-struct-stub}} if the template is needed. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That name won't do either Dr B - that would mean forts (struct = buildings and structures), and we use "mil" for military. I'd suggest that {{France-mil-unit-stub}} would be a better way to go, though I'm not sure whether that form or another is used for other countries which have such a type (if any). Grutness...wha? 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As the only country we have currently split out is the UK, I say we use that as a template and so Grutness would be correct in the name, I would however hold off on a category as it appears to be on the low side. It may be worth creating {{Germany-mil-unit-stub}} and {{US-mil-unit-stub}} aswell. Waacstats (talk) 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I knew that the full name proposal wasn't correct! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Links people from this profession. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given the size of Category:Seismologists it could be a little on the thin side, but an upmerged template (into Category:Geologist stubs, maybe) might be worthwhile. Grutness...wha? 00:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Would be useful to tie odd biographies from some of the more obscure asian countries together. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with this but would prefer upmerged by country templates, given that we have 5 categories already I think a category is a given. Waacstats (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Split of Category:China stubs

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If you think how vast China is and that the near 800 articles we have presently within them are likely to grow considerably I think now would be a good point to create regional templates for general topics like {{Qinghai-stub}} and {{Sichuan-stub}}. I'd imagine some are not easily organised by region and there will be a lot of uneveness towards the main cities like Beijing and Shanghai but I am certain a lot of them could be reorganised. At some point is may even me reasonable to create sub cats of this like {{Sichuan-bio-stub}} etc. but at present I doubt it would be worth it yet. I think it is owrthy creating the templates anyway and the geo stubs can also be sub categorised from the main provincial cats. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it may be better splitting this in the same way as other countries for now, splitting out -newspaper-, -sport- etc. I haven't loked at the category so I don't know what would be viable and what wouldn't but will try to look later on tonight. Waacstats (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't want anything too localised but it would certianly be appropriate to have main stub categories for the huge regions of China. We have {{Tibet-stub}} after all!!

Dr B? I'm not saying I'm opposed to them but having had a look through China stubs (what a mess) I will add tidying up to my to do list. It seems that these categories would be subcats of Category:People's Republic of China stubs not Category:China stubs and that a number of the articles can easily be moved into other appropiate categories (does an article on the Beijing Olympics belong in a PRC-sport- cat or a Beijing- cat) Waacstats (talk) 12:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you see now what I mean about it being in a mess? It needs work and organization I think. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Split of Category:United States history stubs

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Over 700 articles. I propose subdividing by state.

I think that's all (I count 50.)Gosox5555 (talk) 14:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that splitting by state is the best way togo with this, maybe a split by period (also taking out all the -bio-, -geo- and -struct- stubs would help). Waacstats (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose I agree, I don't think it is necessary given that some history predates the existence of actual states and I do't see an overwhelming amount of stubs for each state. On average it works out as 14 articles per state. History would best be dealt with my time period. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I must say I agree - this isn't the best way to split this. A large number of US history stubs will almost certainly relate to the history of the country overall, rather than any specific state. If i were going to split them, I'd go by historical period (we already have a pre-Columbian stub, for instance). A US-20thcentury-history-stub, US-19thcentury-history-stub, and US-18thcentury-history-stub might be more useful. It's also worth noting that if we do go with a state-by-state split, many of the proposed names are incorrect - we use CamelCase for stub templates - with no spaces in state names. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree completely. By century in the US and you have my support. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Based on feedback, I propose in leue: {{US-20thcentury-history-stub}}, {{US-19thcentury-history-stub}}, {{US-18thcentury-history-stub}}, and possibly a {{US-17thcentury-history-stub}}. PS: What's CamelCase? Gosox5555 (talk) 02:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- State names are written "NorthDakota", rather than "North Dakota" or "North-Dakota" when stub templates are made. Run together into one word with capitals where appropriate in the middle. Grutness...wha? 02:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will re-propose the revised stubs under August. Gosox5555 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Split of Category:Brazil geography stubs

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Over 1700 articles, recently flooded with river articles, in process of adding state templates (see last months proposals) 4 are already over 60, propose

more will surely follow. Waacstats (talk) 11:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC) Support, at least the community didn't propose to nuke those too! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:King County, Washington geography stubs

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The last US state I am splitting, atleast for a while 9though more counties may follow). Already has upmerged template with 60+ articles (mainly on seattle). Speedy? Anyone know of any regions we can use to upmerge the others (same goes for Oregon, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Missouri)? Waacstats (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add to that Category:Kitsap County, Washington geography stubs, template has 60 aticles. Waacstats (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Virginia geography stubs

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upmerged template with more than 60 articles propose relevant category Category:Westmoreland County, Virginia geography stubs

Speedy support per nom - Waacstats, no? Grutness...wha? 01:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just wondering, I thought Virginia's abbreviation (on the templates) is VA not VI ??? or my US state abbreviations is not that good :)? --impact F = 17:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that was me, a bit rushed on the proposal. And yes Impact having loked into it Virginia is VA not VI I copied the pattern that already existed so now we need someone/some bot to go through and change 100+ templates and edit 1000+ articles then delete 100+ redirects. Since Alai is no longer here anyone know of a bot that could do this? Waacstats (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shame about Alai. Support anyway per nom Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Composer templates for Europe

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Given the major significance of composers in Europe I think we should create composer templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs until viable of course.

I propose:

Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given that we have Category:European composer stubs I think this can be approved, even speedied. Waacstats (talk) 13:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Create remaining templates for European scientists

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I've noticed a lot of templates missing like {{Slovenia-scientist-stub}}, {{Croatia-scientist-stub}} etc. Both counties have a great number of notable scientists, so I'd recommend creating templates for all. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was supposed to happen with te creation of the cat (Especially as we have no {{Europe-scientist-stub}} so can be speedied, if that wasn't the case then tis is surely an S1 speedy. Waacstats (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Split Category:German politician stubs by party

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1300+, many thousands will be added in coming weeks too. Split by main party and upmerge the others. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, I'd help but I've still got Four overized geo cats to sort. Waacstats (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy {{Germany-SPD-politician-stub}} and Category:Social Democratic Party of Germany politician stubs

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Several hundred and counting. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Prehistoric even-toed ungulate stubs/{{paleo-eventoedungulate-stub}}

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The intersection between overpopulated Category:Prehistoric mammal stubs and the Category:Even-toed ungulate stubs category. At least 95 as of now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, not sure about the naming though, this is correct Waacs? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naming here follows the same pattern as Category:Prehistoric mammal stubs/{{paleo-mammal-stub}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nature categories aren't my area of expertise here but this looks OK to me. Waacstats (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania geography stubs

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upmerged template passed 60, others may follow. Waacstats (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC) Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support- this would appear to be speedy S1. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Waacstats (talk) 21:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I think this may also be viable for its own category. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support have been looking at this myself. Category iff this reaches 60. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Conductor templates for Europe

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Given the major significance of conductors and orchestral music in mainland Europe I think we should create conductor templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs.

I propose:

We currently have 541 stubs and many hundreds needing transwikiying so one can imagine that some of these ar elikely to be viable for their own categories too. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming no individual country reaches 60, Support and it may be worth a Category:European conductor stubs if we're going to have these templates. Waacstats (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given time I expect the majority of them to be viable for their own categories but Eureopan conductor stubs will certainly be the start, Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support creating the templates above and Category:European conductor stubs - both for upmereging templates until there are enough stubs in the relevant category, and as parent categor for the stub categories once there are enough subs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've been all the way through Category:Conductor stubs and those templates above that are still red would have 0 articles so I have not yet created them. Waacstats (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This is also nearing 60. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Give the number of articles we have and vastness of the topic I also propose the following:

Some countries in Latin America too:

Not so sure on these, the two european countries that alreadyhave categories are severley undersized and the fact the parent is only around 400, I think we may be better waiting till this gets a bit bigger and continueing with splitting indvidual countries out. On saying that this is a week oppose and am open to having my mind changed (through discussion or bribery)Waacstats (talk) 21:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm I see your point, I was just looking at Category:Croatian cuisine and seeing how many articles are not even stub tagged and sorted. There are likely to be a much greater number than 400 stubs. For example Hladetina. Best way is to look at the actual categories, the croatian one is practically viable I' am certain there are way more than 400 stubs. Just browse through the European cuisine categories and sub categories by country. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I think many of these should be created - especially the larger countries like Sweden and France. Others like Malta, might not have enough stubs. - AKeen (talk)

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And any other European country except the micro states. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support these and if the micro states have a couple of universities then i would go as far as supporting them, (I seem to recall that Vatican has a number of theological colleges (universities)). no reason to treat them different because they happen to be small. Waacstats (talk) 09:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK I propose the following templates then. God knows how many missing universities we have particularly in Eastern Europe.

While we are here we may as well do Latin America too:

Given existing by continent subcats, support just remember to upmerge the templates to existing categories, I've changed the Netherlands one.Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though i'll nitpickingly add that Belize, Guyana, and Suriname are not technically Latin American, even though they are all in Central or South America :) BTW - do you mean Dominica-university-stub or DominicanRepublic-university-stub? The latter sounds more useful... Grutness...wha? 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:New South Wales river stubs

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{{NewSouthWales-river-stub}} from this list here. Over 300 New South Wales river articles were mechanically created by AlbertHerring (talk · contribs). While there has been discussion about the appropriateness of this at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board, I think it is fairly safe to say that they are here for keeps. Given that, it is probably appropriate that they have their own stub template and category, especially as the {{NewSouthWales-geo-stub}} cat now has over 1,000 articles. The concern I have is that there does not seem to be a parent stub category for {{Australia-river-stub}} or even {{river-stub}}. Advice gratefully accepted. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 22:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

strong oppose. As has been mentioned here frequently in the past, geo-stubs aren't split by landform. This is the reason we have no overall {{river-stub}}, {{lake-stub}}, {{town-stub}}, {{mountain-stub}}, etc. The way that NSW should be split is the same way all other geographical regions are split - by smaller area - in this case, by county or group of counties. I'd certainly support a split of that form. Grutness...wha? 00:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How do I split long skinny landforms that cross LGA boundaries? Do I duplicate across every LGA it crosses? How do I define regional boundaries? In Australia, states are too large and LGAs are too small to be reasonably useful for the purpose of stub sorting. Regional boundaries, including {{Riverina-geo-stub}} (which on reflection I should have opposed the creation of) are artificial and have no formal standing whatsover. Using them will lead to battles over whether an area is in let's say "South West Slopes" or "Central West". Perhaps if you point me to where this discussion has been held previously (most of us don't dwell in the details of stub creation) it might be easier to understand why there is what seems to me to an illogical opposition to a reasonable proposal. Why geographical features are lumped in together and every family of arthropod is split is, I must confess, beyond me. If it is seen as reasonable to create a mountain of stubs on a topic (and it appears to be), then those stubs need to be sorted into some sort of rational order. Simply saying "geo-stubs aren't split by landform" as if that was handed down on stone tablets isn't really a useful answer. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Up to four districts, separate stub templates. Any more than that, use the NSW one. That's the way it's done with rivers worldwide. As to previous discussions on the topic, there are numerous - mouintain-stub was even at one time used as a specific example of "what types not to create" at WP:STUB. Perhaps some examples may indicate past discussions on the subject. Grutness...wha? 01:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support Seems as there are 300 stubs specifically on rivers and there appears to be people interested in expanding them I think we should do it. I wouldn't recommend doing this for everywhere obviously but sorting into districts would really take a lot of hard work sorting, especially as many rivers tracend multiple district barriers. Increasingly with a notable WP:Rivers and Wp:Mountains group there is a stronger case for developing specific categories. I know the convention is by geographical area and I fully support this but in areas whre there are a LOT of rivers like Brazil too etc I think it would be perfectly acceptable to have stub categories for rivers. We create new stub sub categories and templates everyday within a given genre yet we place every geography articles even though there may differ widely from waterfalls or rivers to towns in the same category. I support this in principle in the way that Grutness does but I think this would make sense in the current situation with New South Wales anyway. A lot of editors are not interested in towns for sintance but will gladly work on physical features such as rivers and lakes. This does NOT mean I want to Slovenia-lake-stub or anything all across wikipedia, where possible we should STICK to by area but in rare cases like this it makes more sense, especially as editors seem to want it to work through. Personally I don't mind so long as they develop as efficiently as possible. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given the number of times we've had people jumping up and down saying "but there's a precedent!" (consider all the fuss we had with things like North Cyprus stubs and the like), I'd strongly - very very very strongly - ask you to reconsider this. hell, we don't even have an antarctica-glacier-stub - one of the times when it might seem perfectly logical to have one - since it would set an almighty precedent. The main concern is that we actively encourage the use of proposed and accepted types as precedents (e.g., in our speedying rules). Grutness...wha? 01:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I'd have supported an Antarctica glacier stub category. It would have seemed logical. That's my view.If you are willing to stub sort the New South Wales river stubs by county then I will not mind. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ski areas and resorts stubs with template {{ski-resort-stub}}

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An intersection scan gives 171 articles and Category:Skiing stubs has already 249 articles. --Kslotte (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

support - with the proviso that the stubs are double-tagged with the appropriate geo-stubs (e.g., Elk Mountain Ski Area should be marked with both this and {{pennsylvania-geo-stub}}). Grutness...wha? 00:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, should take that in consideration once I processes them with AWB. --Kslotte (talk) 09:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing 'Speedy', doesn't seem to fill the criteria. Anyway, no hurry with this. --Kslotte (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I quick check that it exist articles that are stubs but not marked as stubs. I expect the amount of articles to increase once processed. --Kslotte (talk) 09:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Anything related to Piz Gloria my evil Swiss lair Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Verification of articles about their status as stubs is still needed. Also double-tagging with the appropriate geo-stubs needs verification. --Kslotte (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created {{ski-resort-stub}} with uppercase as first letter. Should lowercase be used when putting the template into articles? --Kslotte (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In theory, it doesn't make any difference - the first letter of a template name is parsed as a capital whether it is one or not. In practice, it makes it easier for refinements later if common noun terms are left lower case; if we later need, say, a separate US-ski-resort-stub, then it will be a fraction less work to edit the articles if the "s" is already lower case. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason for put AWB to work on putting these to lowercase? I will probably get a bot account for AWB (auto save possible). --Kslotte (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked the template and category - and was annoyed to notice that no-one pointed out the category name should have been singular. I've tidied up the wording of both template and category a little and moved the category to Category:Ski area and resort stubs. Hope you don't mind... Grutness...wha? 01:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NP, good work cleaning up small mistakes. It seems that I have been tired during the creation ;) --Kslotte (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Category:Karlovy Vary Region geography stubs and Category:Liberec Region geography stubs

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Should be now viable. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add to that Category:Olomouc Region geography stubs which also has upmerged template over 60 currentlysitting in Category:Czech Republic geography stubs and you havea support. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Southern African Universities

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There are 68 public universities in the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Most of these have their own wikipedia entryRdhenson (talk) 06:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We have {{SouthAfrica-university-stub}} and other templates for countries outside of south africa. The convention is by country not institutional type. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(after ec) Are these all in South Africa, or in southern Africa generally? If they're in southern Africa but not all in one country, then it makes more sense to have them in the continent-wide category (i.e., Category:Africa university stubs),which - at 170-odd stubs, isn't really overfull. There'd be a very good case for upmerged country-specific templates, though (for example, {{Botswana-university-stub}} and {{Namibia-university-stub}}) all linking to the continent-wide category. If they're all in RSA, then there's already a single-country category for that. Grutness...wha? 10:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the responses. The universities I was referring to are the universities in the 15 different countries of the SADC, which does include South Africa, but also 14 other countries! The reason I had proposed a separate stub is that this would be in line with economic/political developments - the African Union, NEPAD support a regional approach to issues like higher education and the SADC is the local regional bloc. However I take the point that Wikipedia is not currently set up like that. I see that South African Universities are (the only) sub category of Africa University stubs - is Grutness above suggesting that {{Botswana-university-stub}} and {{Namibia-university-stub}})etc all be made sub categories in the same way as South Africa? It seems a good idea to me and I would be happy to try and do this for the 14 SADC countries, not quite sure how to do it, and whether I would need permission? Maybe some one can advise?Rdhenson (talk) 12:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support the creation of the Botswana and Namibia templates as with any others for Africa, I wasn't sure whether we had any made yet. In some African countries there are a notable number of universities and colleges. If there are over 60 stubs for the SADC countries I'd support a creation Category:Southern Africa university stubs using upmerged templates by country. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the SADC region may not exactly coincide with what we use for Southern Africa - we'll need to check that. Grutness...wha? 00:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive my ignorance - I am not quite sure what is meant by "upmerging templates"? From what I have seen most universities are linked to existing templates for their respective countries eg{{Botswana-university-stub}}{{Namibia-university-stub}} etc and many, but by no means all are also linked to {{Africa-university-stubs}}. Would "upmerging" the templates basically mean doing away with the individual country-university-stubs and replacing them with eg Southern Africa, East Africa, West Africa?Rdhenson (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerging means creating templates for all the countries, but having them feed into more general categories until such time as there are enough for a separate dedicated category (60 per normal stub-sorting requirements). Where there are enough stubs for separate country-level categories, they can be separately proposed (and would almost certainly be speediable) - if there aren't enough, they'd remain upmerged. So, for example, {{Angola-university-stub}} would categorise articles into Category:Angola stubs and either Category:Africa university stubs or a new Category:Southern Africa university stubs; if it ever has 60 stubs using it as a template, then a new Category:Angola university stubs would be created. Grutness...wha? 02:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the proposals above. Maybe we should further it and create templates for the african and asian countries too? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taiwanese singer stubs

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{{Taiwan-singer-stub}}, the number of stubs exceeded 60. - impact F = 22:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy support per numerous precedants. Waacstats (talk) 09:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As above Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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For diferentiation between {{Explosive-stub}} which is a child of chemisty. Intended for fireworks and pyro used primarily for entertainment. Almost 60 articles in fireworks cat alone.DJSparky (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC) Support -sounds reasonable. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support template but I'm not convinced that there are 60+ stubs. Catscan shows only 32 articles smaller than 2048 bytes, so I would say hold off on category till there are definitly 60 stub articles. Waacstats (talk) 11:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Missing template Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, and support for any other missing nation-writer-stub's in that cat. Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Libyan sportspeople stubs

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4 upmerged templates give 60+ articles, but would leave the parent cat slightly undersized . Waacstats (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Depebnding on what you mean by "slightly" that shouldn't be a problem - after all, it will have a subcat... Grutness...wha? 07:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Slightly" undersized = 55 articles if i've done my sums right. Waacstats (talk) 07:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Westerb Australia rail stub

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{{WesternAustralia-rail-stub}} - there are already template for other states - western australia got left off and I have created a page and then realised I needed to come here - the australian generics are confusing ans should be moved to the relevant states - and the absence of western australia is odd and should be fixed - rail features in western australia are as numerous as any other state of Australia Satu Suro 12:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support though the category needs renaming to Category:Western Australia rail stubs. Waacstats (talk) 20:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Split of Category:Oregon geography stubs

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The following two templates have passed 60 propose relevant cats. (these will take this off the oversized list and I still have a few counties to sort)

Waacstats (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Support. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Category:East Azarbaijan Province geography stubs

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Just over 60. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

just wandering if this needs to be Category:East Azerbaijan Province stubs to disambiguate from the East of the Azerbaijan. Waacstats (talk) 12:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note the spelling is Azar not Azer. Province is probably advisable. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just incase some one makes the same mistake as me I think we do need the Province (capital P to match other Iranian provinces). Waacstats (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both the article East Azarbaijan Province and permcat use "Province", so we probably should here, too. (support, BTW). Grutness...wha? 01:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Many other orders of insects have stub templates, {{ant-stub}}, {{beetle-stub}}, {{butterfly-stub}}, {{damselfly-stub}}, {{dragonfly-stub}}, et cetera, and Category:Earwigs and its subcats are growing at a relatively-fast pace. It already contains about 150 pages, and a good percentage of those are stubs (about 140 of them). Seeing how it is generally appropriate to use alternatives to {{insect-stub}}, and how Category:Insect stubs is getting larger and larger, I think that {{earwig-stub}}, and the associated cat, Category:Earwig stubs, is a good idea. The general rule would be that every article in Category:Earwigs (and subcats) with the template {{insect-stub}} already in it should be given the {{earwig-stub}} template. Is there any support for this idea? The Earwig (Talk | Contribs) 01:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable to me - assuming you're right about the numbers. If there are fewer than 60, then I support the template as an upmerged type - but if there are the 140 you suggest then a category as well makes sense. Grutness...wha? 01:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Grutness. Gosox5555 (talk) 02:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Category:Swedish castle stubs, Category:Latvian castle stubs, Category:Austrian castle stubs

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All well over 60 Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

given that Category:Castle stubs is over 1000 Support and if memory serves we have an outstsnding Category:European castle stubs with upmerged templates on the to-do list. Waacstats (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Gosox5555 (talk) 02:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Aviation accident stubs

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I ran AWB over the air disaster categories this weekend, and think I caught all of the articles that were double-stubbed with {{aviation-stub}} and {{disaster-stub}}. A cursory check reveals somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 marked {{aviation-accident-stub}}, which should be enough for a new category, no? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 15:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aviation stubs needs a very good sort through and this looks like a good start to cutting it down. Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of sort-through? Perhaps I can be of help with more AWB in the future? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 00:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, changing {{Aviation-stub}} to one of its subtypes wherever appropriate. At a quick glance, there seem to be numerous Aviation-bio-stubs, several aerospace-museum-stubs, and loads of aviation-term-stubs and aero-company-stubs in there, though I also support the initial nomination - there are a LOT of air accidents in there. Grutness...wha? 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK - one of these weekends I'll have a sort-through and see what I can fix up with AWB; I'm not sure I have the patience to do it manually. Already I see several airline articles double-stubbed with the aviation tag. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 13:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy {{Belgium-castle-stub}} and Category:Belgian castle stubs

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Well over 200 stubs. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per precedants. Waacstats (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Sellsumerism

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I propose for a 'sellsumerism' stub to be created. It is a term used to describe the act of individuals becoming part time entrepreneurs and earning money through selling aspects of their daily lives. A 'sellsumer' earns money, for example, by renting out a parking space in their home driveway to a third party. The act is becoming more and more apparent during our global recession.

Please expand on this stub. --Christy Chung (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are looking for article creation WP:AFC , this page is for templates and categories for stubs. Waacstats (talk) 20:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Healthcare

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I believe a Healthcare stub needs to be created for several reasons. 1) The government is in the process of reforming our entire healthcare system. 2) The baby-boomer generation is getting older and older.

Several things here: 1) please sign your posts (use the tiled four times - i.e., ~~~~ to do this); 2) we already have a large range of existing stub types relating to healthcare; 3) which government?; 4) The age of the baby-boomer generation isn't really relevant - healthcare has existed for centuries - medicine is the third oldest profession. Grutness...wha? 23:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Communications satellite stubs / {{comsat-stub}} {{communications-satellite-stub}}

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More than 90 stubs in Category:Spacecraft stubs, and probably a few in Category:Space stubs, with several being created most weeks. Proposed type is more specific, and will to some degree relieve pressure on Category:Spacecraft stubs. --G W… 09:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support idea not to sure about the template name, there are a number of items lised on the disamig page Comsat. Waacstats (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this is the only one listed on that page which is likely to require a stub category. The Asian committee doesn't seem to have any descendant articles (and if a stub template was needed COMSATS-stub would be more appropriate anyway), COMSAT has the possibility for a few descendants, but I am not currently aware of any stub categorisation by individual company. Anyway, most of the potential descendant articles are covered by corporation-stub and spacecraft-stub (the ones covered by spacecraft-stub are actually communications satellites, so would be covered by this proposal). If a stub were required for the band, it would use the full name, so that is not an issue, and again I don't think such a type is likely anyway. I don't think the UNIX feature even has its own article, let alone a requirement for a stub category. I'm fairly confident that communications satellites are the most common usage of "comsat" anyway. If there is still an issue then the name is associable, but I don't see any problems, and a shorter name would be preferable to a long one (the alternative would be Template:Communications-satellite-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)). --G W… 10:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit I wondered about the name myself. I think that - though it's a longer name - your suggested alternative is better. It also allows us to use the name satellite-stub as a basic naming element for other types if we need them for any reason. As for splits by company, the only place where I know of that being done is in entertainment, where we have things like BBC-stub. I doubt we;'d ever need to go that far for satellites - some other splitting axis like nationality might be a more logical split anyway. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. --G W… 11:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support As above Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support template under longer name and category under proposed name. Waacstats (talk) 20:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five days, no objections. Created. --G W… 09:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Create medical biography templates by country

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Looking through Category:Medical biography stubs I think we should create new templates for most of the major countries and upmerge until viable. I'm currnetly working o Turkish physicians and we could certainly do with a {{Turkey-med-bio-stub}} etc as I gather the convention is not Turkey-physician-stub Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Category:Sri Lankan politician stubs

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Should be 60 stubs and counting. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy, oh it already has been. Waacstats (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Category:Hardy Boys novel stubs and {{HardyBoys-novel-stub}}

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There are over 200 stubs. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amazed i am. Support the stub type I do. Is a similar type likely to be needed for Nancy Drew anytime soon? Grutness...wha? 01:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problems size wise but we normally don't allow stubs for books from a series/singles by a band etc and this may open new floodgates that are better left shut. PS Nancy Drew seems to have 52 stub articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Drew LOL. I used to read the Hardy Boys when I was about 10 or 11 and looking back I can't believe how straight laced those guys were at 17 or 18 LOL. The Hardy Boys were like the A-team, they were always the best at everything they did and could get out of any situation using the most improbable methods! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC) I propose {{NancyDrew-novel-stub}} then. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I propose a Young Adult Mystery Novel stub instead of this one. Gosox5555 (talk) 20:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Old business

Proposals, July 2009

{{Mathematical-biology-stub}}

Second split of Category:Brazil stubs

{{Military-units-and-formations-of-France-stub}}

{{Seismologist-stub}}

{{Asia-scientist-stub}}

Split of Category:China stubs

Split of Category:United States history stubs

Split of Category:Brazil geography stubs

Category:King County, Washington geography stubs

Category:Virginia geography stubs

Composer templates for Europe

Create remaining templates for European scientists

Split Category:German politician stubs by party

Speedy {{Germany-SPD-politician-stub}} and Category:Social Democratic Party of Germany politician stubs

Category:Prehistoric even-toed ungulate stubs/{{paleo-eventoedungulate-stub}}

Category:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania geography stubs

{{Austria-composer-stub}}

{{US-violinist-stub}}

Conductor templates for Europe

{{Croatia-cuisine-stub}}

{{Belarus-university-stub}}

Category:New South Wales river stubs

Category:Ski areas and resorts stubs with template {{ski-resort-stub}}

Speedy Category:Karlovy Vary Region geography stubs and Category:Liberec Region geography stubs

Southern African Universities

Category:Taiwanese singer stubs

{{Pyrotechnics-stub}}

{{Slovenia-writer-stub}}

Category:Libyan sportspeople stubs

Westerb Australia rail stub

Split of Category:Oregon geography stubs

Speedy Category:East Azarbaijan Province geography stubs

{{earwig-stub}}

Speedy Category:Swedish castle stubs, Category:Latvian castle stubs, Category:Austrian castle stubs

Category:Aviation accident stubs

Speedy {{Belgium-castle-stub}} and Category:Belgian castle stubs

Sellsumerism

Healthcare

Category:Communications satellite stubs / {{comsat-stub}} {{communications-satellite-stub}}

Create medical biography templates by country

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Speedy Category:Hardy Boys novel stubs and {{HardyBoys-novel-stub}}