Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries/Archive3

May 2005 discoveries

That was the tip of the iceberg

I've just gone through the whole of that list unearthed by BlankVerse... I think I need to go and have a lie down now. The following are 30 previously undiscovered stub templates:

Kerala Geo Stub

{{Kerala Geo Stub}}	User: Chakravyuh	29 March	30+	(Kerala, India)	Badly formed category

{{MTR stub}} and {{KCR stub}}

Two new stubs on different Hong Kong transportation networks, created by our old friend Instantnood. Surely these would better have been served by a single template/category, rather than two separate ones? Also the names are not that hot - firstly the TLAs mean different things in different countries (I instantly wondered why the Motor Traders Association should have a stub category), and secondly, there's no hyphen, so that's another blow against the hoped-for uniformity. Grutness...wha? 01:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The first was created by User:PZFUN, and the latter by User:Secfan. I guess neither of them have ever been involved in this WikiProject. The two stub templates are for anything related to the two metro networks, the light rail network by KCRC, property development (e.g. housing blocks, shopping centres) and anything else related to the two companies (e.g. investment overseas). Basically almost all stations are still stubs, but not all of them have been tagged with one of the two templates. — Insta ntnood 08:51, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for the misattribution (you must have added the categories later, I think...). Still think they'd have done better with one template covering both, though. Grutness...wha? 05:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I discovered the MTR template with no category (not the one for KCR), and therefore I created it. — Insta ntnood 12:58, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Stubberg, Pt. 3

FR-stub

{{FR-stub}}	User: Erolos	16 May	11	Forgotten Realms

FR stands for Forgotten Realms (a Dungeons & Dragons setting). This stub has 18 articles in its associated category and has been around since May 15. --Allen3 ^talk July 6, 2005 01:29 (UTC)

FR has also been used for France previously (it's the standard ISO code), and could stand for any of a number of other things (clergymen, for instance, or Frame Relay technology). So the name's pretty awful to start with. Then there's the use of it - why would we have a stub type for one D&D setting when we haven't even got a separate D&D stub? (Come to think of it, an RPG-stub might be quite useful). Grutness...wha? 6 July 2005 01:36 (UTC)

During a scan of titles in Category:Game stubs I recognized 48 stubs for RPGs (mostly D&D and World of Darkness). Combining these with the 18 above leads me to beleive that a stub for RPGs has real potential to be useful (there were a lot of titles in the game category I did not recognize). --Allen3 ^talk July 6, 2005 02:43 (UTC)

A {{Fantasy-rpg-stub}} or simple {{Rpg-stub}} could be useful, then; the problem is the redundancy with {{fantasy-stub}}, as some elements of the Rpg's have been crafted into books et. al. (e.g. Drizzt Lectonar 13:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now has over 100 articles(!). Agree this should be turned into a redirect to a less terrible name. I've made this a sub-category of {{rpg-stub}}. Alai 07:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

June 2005 discoveries

Steel yourself... it's hard to find a single thing right about this one. Malformed name, feeds into two categories (South Africa stubs and Road stubs) but doesn't have one of its own. used on a mind numbing 160 articles (2/3 of the total number in Category:South Africa stubs) each of which is a one line article best served as part of a list. If it wasn't so much work I'd be sending all the articles over to vfd for merging. This is very depressing. Grutness...wha? 12:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

July 2005 discoveries

{{Video game music composer-stub}} / No associated category

Created by User:Tedius Zanarukando on the 17th of June. Used by 4 articles according to "What links here". --TheParanoidOne 5 July 2005 21:50 (UTC)

Sometimes you gotta wonder why people go to the effort. --YixilTesiphon July 8, 2005 23:21 (UTC)

Haven't a clue. Seems to be religion related, and have about 50 articles. Anyone know anything about this one? Grutness...wha? 06:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Tamil Hindu sect and its up to 70 stubs now. Unless I get some negative feedback, I'll add it in a week to the main list. I've already recatted it from Religion stubs to Hindu-related stubs. Caerwine 22:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I found {{Looney-tunes-stub}} (Category:Looney Tunes stubs) on 21 July 2005; I added it (along with {{Hanna-Barbera-stub}}) to WP:WSS/ST. The Looney Tunes template was created on July 19 2005 by Roadrunner3000. Category:Looney Tunes stubs is a subcategory of Category:Animation stubs, and it has 17 articles. I also removed {{cartoon-stub}} and replaced it with {{animation-stub}} on WP:WSS/ST because the cartoon stub is now a redirect. In addition, I added the redirect information to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_redirects. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 21:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

August 2005 discoveries

For articles to do with Saudi Arabia. leads to the well-formatted Category: Saudi Arabia stubs, which has 22 articles already, even though this was only created today. Should get enough articles to reach criterion level, but it would have been nice if this had been debated first! I've left a note on its creator User:Eagleamn's talk page. Grutness...wha? 07:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Netherlands-rail-stub}} / Category:Netherlands rail stubs

Seems to have been created out of process, used in only 5 articles. Created last Saturday by User:Our Phellap. Aecis 11:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes and no. There was discussion of this one on the Proposals page, though the discussion was a bit ambivalent as to whether it should be made immediately or after a count to see whether it was needed. Looks like OurPhellap has gone ahead anyway. Probably won't be too much harm in it, but it'll be worth watching to see whether it grows or stagnates. Grutness...wha? 13:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Submarine-stub}} / Category:Submarine stubs

Apparently created out-of-process, but has 30 articles. I went ahead and added it to Category:Stub categories and Category:Submarines, but other than that it looks fine. Might have hard time getting too many more articles, tho. --Mairi 20:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is one type of "Sub stub" that can probably stay :) Grutness...wha? 00:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{dinosaur-stub}} / Dinosaur stubs

Created by User:Agentsoo on 3rd August. Used on ~30 stubs. Added to stub types list today. Well formed as far as I can see. --TheParanoidOne 20:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was also lacking any parent categories in the stub hierarchy, but I want ahead and added them. --Mairi 20:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine, but I hope whoever sorts into this knows what prehistoric reptiles are or aren't dinosaurs. No pterodactyls, ichthyosaurs or mammal-like reptiles, please! (That was part of the reason WP:WSS decided against creating this category in the past!) Grutness...wha? 05:54, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Created a couple days ago, lacks a category. Not sure if it'd be useful. --Mairi 04:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Might be - there are probably quite a lot in the artist-stubs, to start with. Grutness...wha? 07:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And what about Category:Belgium-related stubs? Aecis 13:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are many Belgian biography stubs in the subcategories of Category:Belgian people by occupation, so this stub template and category might be viable. I don't yet know just how many stubs there are though. Aecis 22:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This one was created on 22 June 2005. It is poorly formed. User:Somaliafriend asked how to create it at Talk:Golf#Golfbio-stub, and User:Redux informed him how. There are currently three articles with this stub tag. Somaliafriend hasn't edited anything since 22 June 2005. There was a related comment by User:Grutness at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Discoveries#.7B.7BGolf-stub.7D.7D regarding {{Golf-stub}}. There are now 106 articles in golf-stub. There might be a ton of articles over at {{sportbio-stub}} to justify {{Golfbio-stub}} (and certainly it would help sportbio), but if we keep Golfbio-stub it needs to be formed better. --Durin 16:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed this as best I can (still a bit cack-handed on some of these markup thingies). I'd suggest it be kept, as sportbio looks to be in urgent need (I can't tell how many there are likely to be, but if it's even a few percent...) Alai 22:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the category name to something a little better. Other than that it looks fine. Grutness...wha? 01:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Estonia-geo-stub}} and {{Belarus-geo-stub}}

Sigh. Two more geo-stubs discovered. Both nicely formed and populated with some of the stubs from these countries that exist (I've added the rest). In the case of Estonia there's no problem, it's well populated with 80 stubs. Belarus didn't look too viable at first, but there are more stubs than I remembered now that I've gone through Euro-geo-stub (close to 50). Still not enough that it would have been made, but probably enough not to be sent over to Stub Types for Deletion. Grutness...wha? 05:49, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

September 2005 discoveries

New creation, with no category. Refers to some urban area in England. My hunch is that it ought to be deleted since it seems to go against our current splitting of England-geo-stub by county, but I let someone who knows more about English geography decide whether to put it on WP:SFD... --Mairi 17:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A definite SFD - As per Wikipedia policy on counties, items are being split according to the ceremonial counties - Teesside is not a ceremonial county iand is already covered by the Durham and Yorkshire stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{jazz-stub}} / Jazz stubs

Added today to Category:Musician stubs. Approximately 70 articles, which seem to be about Jazz musicians, rather than just Jazz. --TheParanoidOne 16:39, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a discovery - this one's gone through the process at WP:WSS/P - admittedly it's been made a few days early, but it's more-or-less sanctioned. Not sure what to do with the musicians in it, though. Grutness...wha? 01:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, I see it now. I must be going blind! --TheParanoidOne 05:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be connected to Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Armed Forces. --Joy [shallot] 22:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

sigh. useful, but horribly named. Do we have a {{US-mil-stub}}? If so, I'd redirect it there, if not, I'd rename this one. And, of course, tell the WikiProject. Shame about the project's acronym. USAF-stub would have been a good name, but it would ignore the army and navy! Grutness...wha? 01:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We definitely need {{US-mil-stub}}. I've seen boocoodles of United States-related stubs and Military stubs that would go into it. I'll propose it. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 17:07, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Like to guess? South Park. I've renamed this one to {{SouthPark-stub}}, as per our naming guidelines, and it will probably be useful, give the amount of South Park cruft out there, but - yet again - it would have been nice if the person who made this had gone through process. Grutness...wha? 01:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Surrey-geo-stub}} / Category:Surrey geography stubs

Not discussed on WP:WSS/P, but Grutness's counts indicate that it has 74 articles, so it'd be worth keeping. Looks well formed. --Mairi 01:51, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Still, as you say, it would have been split off eventually. I was going to start the next split today, but I'll fill this one instead - the others can wait for a while. Grutness...wha? 07:28, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Croatia-stub}} / Category:Croatia-related stubs

Created today and added to WP:WSS/ST, but not proposed. Has 14 articles at present. --Mairi 01:51, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Currently has 55 articles. It shouldn't be too much of a problem to expand it. It would have been nice if it had been proposed though. Aecis 18:34, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Netherlands-stub}} / Category:Netherlands-related stubs

Jolly darn logical, category looks fine, and is even the supercat of some other out-of-process stub categories (not of the -geo-stub, though). No template, though, and (hence!) no articles, though a small number "mis-point" to the non-template. Hrm, seemingly this was deleted some time ago. Perhaps this should be (re-)created, and the sub-cat templated redirected to it pro temps, if population is going to be an issue? Alai 06:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea, if it's fixed up. I haven't been around long enough to know why it was deleted in the first place, though. --Alynna 00:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it was deleted is that it seems to have been like the recent User:Maoririder stubs - one sentence with no link to a category. It seems to have been speedily deleted by User:Duncharris without having gone through the SFD or TFD process only two days after it was created. Coincidentally I proposed the creation of just this stub type a couple of days ago. Grutness...wha? 05:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Kansas-geo-stub}} / Category:Kansas geography stubs

Newly created; used on 14 articles (which is a few more than Grutness's last count). Category lacks any stub category parents. --Mairi 06:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The others couldn't have been previously marked US-midwest-geo-stub. Kansas is one of the least populous states, stub-wise. I suppose we can keep it around and see if it grows, but it's a shame it got made when it was the just about the least deserving. Still, at least it wasn't Delaware. Grutness...wha? 06:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Correction - almost all of these are new stubs, created in the last 24 hours. Only one of the ones I listed has made its way into the new category (something I'm about to remedy). If the number of stubs keeps increasing at this rate, perhaps it will be viable soon after all. Grutness...wha? 06:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Wwiair-stub}}/Category:Wwiair-stub

Two articles, created on July 14th, by User:FranksValli 02:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If, as I suspect, this is for WWI air-related stubs, it at the very least needs a clearer name - especially the category. Given that there are currently 53 stubs in Category:World War I stubs, it doesn't really need splitting at the moment, either. And Category:World War I aviation only has eleven articles other than air aces (stubs about whom would be bio-stubs anyway). Unnecessary. Grutness...wha? 04:34, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Canada-poligeo-stub}} / Category:Canadian political geography stubs

Created in the past day; unused. Well formed, a side from certain definitional issues. Political geography seems abit vague (based on that article, which could use some cleanup), but the stub category seems primarily intended for electoral districts, and local/regional politics. A stub for one of those might be useful, but Category:Canada politics stubs has only 161 articles at present. --Mairi 05:26, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if it's unused it doesn't have any articles. Canada's geography - as far as stubs are concerned - is thoroughly covered by division on a provincial level. This stub type cuts straight through that in the worst possible way. Grutness...wha? 06:32, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I meant to link Category:Canada politics stubs instead in the last sentence, as that's what I was refering to (and I've fixed it to that now). --Mairi 07:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That makes more sense - I tried Category:Canadian political geography but it didn't exist! Grutness...wha? 07:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, my apologies for running afoul of this WikiProject. Allow me to plead ignorance for violating general protocol. Anyway, Mairi is largely correct—it's a constituency stub, essentially, with a broader name so some other articles could find their way in there that aren't specifically about indivdual constituencies but still concern geographic-based political trends. (I've been meaning to write a 905 belt article for some time now, which is a good example that any Canadian would understand. I supposed analagous articles from other countries would be titles like Red state or Rotten borough.) Interestingly, the articles I'm hoping to move into this new stubcat are scattered at present, with the majority (wrongly) placed in {{Canada-gov-stub}}. That category is presently oversized, and should ideally only concern articles related to the mechanics and institutions of the Canadian government/the civil service etc. -The Tom 00:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not clear to me that they're in that category wrongly, but I agree that it's oversized, and that this would be a fairly logical split. By a quick eyeball, it certainly looks viable. So you're a good deal less afoul than many. :) I suggest it be supercatted as both of the above stub types, for clarity. Alai 01:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{India-university-stub}} / Category:India university stubs

Wasn't proposed, but other than that looks fine. Well formed, and filled with 70 articles (despite being created today). I've gone ahead and added it to WP:WSS/ST. --Mairi 05:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable - Category:University stubs definitely needs a split, and India would be one of the most logical ones to split off (Africa, China and Japan would probably also be useful). Grutness...wha? 06:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Polymer-stub}} / Category:Polymer stubs

Newly created. No idea if it will have an audience; have asked the author. --Joy [shallot] 22:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure this was proposed at WP:WSS/P and there were no objections. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It was (on 5 Spetember 2005). I'll be populating it this weekend when I go through {{Chem-stub}}. Physchim62 08:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep, as it turns out, I'm on crack. :) Nevertheless, there should be a projection of how many stubs will end up in this category. --Joy [shallot] 09:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hard to say. There are probably about 50 stubs sitting in {{Chem-stub}} to be moved here straight away, that depends what sort of shape that category is in after the summer. There is also the new WikiProject Polymers which is trying to rationalise Wikipedia treatment of this area and which will doubtless produce stubs on the way (as well as treating them, of course). So lets say 50-100 in the short to medium term. Physchim62 18:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- 50 plus, and a wikiproject. That should be fine. Grutness...wha? 00:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - 76 now that I've done the clear-out of {{chem-stub}}. Physchim62 16:56, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, for the last three months we've had a Category:Australian road stubs. it would have been very nice if its creator had let us know. It had a template {{AU-road-stub}} which I've moved to Australia-road-stub,a s per our naming conventions (I'm taking the original name to SFD...) Grutness...wha? 13:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Climbingbio-stub}} / Category:Climbing biography stubs

Created 3 days ago, used on 50 articles. I've added it to WP:WSS/ST given it's current size. --Mairi 04:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Vabio-stub}} / Category:Biography of Virginians stubs

Even if we want to divide US-bio-stub by state, there are so many things wrong with this stub type. Both the category and template greatly need renaming. The category needs parent categories, and the template has some formatting issue that causes the text to wrap. --Mairi 02:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Allez au SFD, je pense. Grutness...wha? 06:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deprecated stubs

Category:Deprecated stubs was intended to perform the same function as Category:Stubs, but I didn't realize the latter category already performed that function. With all the different "for Deletion" rules and types, I have no idea where to put this these days. Sadly, gone are the days when {{cfd}} would suffice. Adraeus 02:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean thankfully those days are gone. They were a nightmare as far as incorrect stub categories. It's still a pretty straightforward system now, but much more efficient - WP:SFD is what you want. Grutness...wha? 03:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion would also work, either because it was created by mistake, or for being empty for 24 hours. --Mairi 04:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]