Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria/Archive12

Proposals

Creation proposal: environ-stub

This one was discovered elsewhere on the page and moved into its correct place

for anything related to environmental issues. It would be suitable for articles likeminister of the environment or ecolabel or toxic waste. It may be very wide in its use but then why not use many stub categories for the same article? e.g. toxic waste is already industry stubbed but the environ-stub would equally suitable. BedrupsBaneman 30 May 2005 15:25 GMT

I could have sworn we already had something like that (envir-stub, or ecology-stub, or something like that). It would probably be useful - sustainability stub could possibly be redirected to it, too, since that one's fairly useless. How many stubs are there that could take this new template though? Grutness...wha? 00:44, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I have not found any other stubs related to environmental issues, i.e. environ-stub, envir-stub,eco-stub, ecology-stub and environmental-stub are not defined, although there are sustainability-stub and climate-stub. Having read the article environment again the subject may be too diverse and is partly covered by other stubs. In Category:Sustainability_stubs it is stated that "Sustainability is an economic, social, and ecological concept" so it may not be useless but rather useful. This also huge, but then probably many stub articles can be viewed both as an x-stub and an sustainability-stub. So I suggest that we drop my suggestion for an environ-stub. Bedrupsbaneman 11:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK - and if you can do something with sustainability-stub to make it serve your purposes, please do so! Grutness...wha? 06:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

School-district-stub

I think there are a lot of these already, and Wikipedia:schools encourages people to create school district articles for any school that doesn't have one. Apparently there are over 1,100 school districts in California alone. Kappa 04:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm fairly strongly opposed to this one. All current school district stubs are (or at least should be) marked with US-geo-stub. There's already a proposal further up the page to split that by state, which is a far better idea than splitting it by school-district vs not-school-district. And since the state split has already started due to states with wikiprojects, it would be far easier to hold off on school-district-stub than to stop a split by states. As for there being 1100 school districts, that's as may be, but there aren't 1100 stubs on California school districts. In fact, there are only 2500 US-geo-stubs in total. Grutness...wha? 06:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Why should they be tagged as geo stubs? I'd think anyone expanding them is likely to be interested in education, not places. Kappa 13:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  Because school-stub is for individual schools, and school districts are areas from which the schools draw their pupils (what here in NZ we call the school's catchment area). Since a district is a place, it would make sense if it got geo-stub. The point's fairly moot anyway... I've been going through the US geo-stubs to sort them on a state-by-state basis, and I've only found four or five school districts in there. I also had a look in category:School stubs, and that contains only a little over a dozen in total. So unless someone suddenly produces another 50 or more stubs, it doesn't look like there'd be enough articles for it. I've suggested an alternative way of splitting that category below, BTW... it may be a better way of splitting the category up! Grutness...wha? 13:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• OK, how about tagging them with both {{school-stub}} and {{geo-stub}}, they can at least be googled for that way. Kappa 14:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough - that would make sense (only they'd be US-geo-stub, not geo-stub :) Grutness...wha? 01:45, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{UK-school-stub}} and {{US-school-stub}}? (*created*)

Is it worth splitting school-stub by making separate US and UK subcategories? I doubt anyone who knows the US school system will be able to say much about UK schools or vice versa, and I'd say that each of these two countries accounts for 30-40% of the school stubs. Grutness...wha? 04:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, sounds like a reasonable split. Courtland 17:59, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Done. Now they just need to be populated... done that, too. Phew. Grutness...wha? 11:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{galaxy-stub}} *created*

Another further subdivision of {{astro-stub}}. It would be for individual galaxies, galaxy clusters, characteristics of galaxies, etc., which make up at least 100 and probably many more of those in {{astro-stub}}. A2Kafir 03:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suggest {{astro-gal-stub}} instead for easier recollection. Actually I wonder if {{star-stub}} ought to be {{astro-star-stub}} as well. --Phil | Talk 14:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

I thing galaxy-stub is easier to remember, actually. And we have asteroid-stub too. A2Kafir 22:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Astro-gal-stub is an abbreviation that's too hard to remember. Galaxy-stub, is much, much better. (Besides, Astro-gal-stub looks too much like it's for some comic book character, Astro Gal.) BlankVerse ∅ 09:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Blank Brazil-stub

Not sure where to mention this. The Brazil stub template is completely empty, no text or flag as with the other country stubs. I assume I can just go add the text using the boilerplate from the other country stubs? If not, what? SeventyThree 23:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh dear... looks like someone made a mess with it then blanked it rather than reverting it to what it should look like - two weeks ago. I hope it hasn't been used since then. It's back to normal now. Grutness...wha? 03:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{makeup-stub}}

Whilst going through the list of {{stub}}s, I found the article, lipstick and I have no idea where to put it. Perhaps a {{makeup-stub}} is in order.

The {{fashion-stub}} is the best choice for the lipstick article. BlankVerse ∅ 15:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, that's the best place for it. Courtland 15:38, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

{{engineer-stub}}/{{inventor-stub}} *created*

From browsing the People stubs category, many such people aren't sorted because they don't fit elsewhere. This could be a single template and category for now, one template name redirecting to the other. --Joy [shallot] 16:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went on and created this. I also added industrial designers to the description, that's another reasonably popular term. --Joy [shallot] 19:01, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{med-bio-stub}} *created*

We seem to have a number of physicians and other medicine workers with articles. --Joy [shallot] 16:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Physician-stub}} is likely needed at some point. For an all-inclusive category, we could consider {{Healer-stub}} which could include physicians, nurses of all kinds, midwives, acupuncturists, holistic healers, shamans, faith healers, etc. There could subsequently be breakouts to handle subcategories, with {{Physician-stub}} perhaps not needing to come into existence if one jumps directly to things like {{Surgeon-stub}} or {{GP-stub}} (General Practitioner) if needed. Courtland 17:39, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

I agree, this would definitely be helpful; I find it quite a bit as I go through some of the bio stubs. Hathawayc 17:21, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

I created it, and redirects at {{physician-stub}}, {{nurse-stub}} and {{healer-stub}}. --Joy [shallot] 19:51, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{turk-stub}} *created* as Turkey-stub

I reckon there should be a Turkey stub because there are many other articles apart from Turkey-geo stubs. - Erebus555...^{natter at me}

If this is to be created, please make {{Turkey-stub}} rather than {{turk-stub}}. Thanks. Courtland 17:25, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Agreed - Turkey-stub is a better name. BTW, I'm moving this to its correct place on the page (it's a proposal, not a discovery!) Grutness...wha? 00:44, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, got confused. I will move the stub to turkey stub.

{{inorganic-cpd-stub}} and {{organic-cpd-stub}}

The cpd stands for compound. These two stubs would help take some of the pressure off {{chem-stub}} (currently over 1000 stubs). At a rough estimate, I would say 200 articles for the former and 300 for the latter. The image from {{chem-stub}} could be retained. Physchim62 01:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why not simply {{organic-chem-stub}} and {{inorganic-chem-stub}}? cpd is hardly intuitive, and these will be children of chem-stub. It would also allow for stubs related to organic chemistry in general (allowing the categorising of, for example, "ketone" - not an organic compound per se, but definitely categorisable as organic chemistry). Grutness...wha? 07:12, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I support the original proposal. The problem with organic-chem-stub is that it is ambiguous- before long people will apply it to general organic chemistry concepts such as Zaitsev's Rule or aromaticity. We need a specific stub just for compounds, since there are so many of them (see list of organic compounds, which probably has only 50% of them) and they are growing rapidly in number. It may be that we need a more general organic stub, but removing the compounds will reduce the pressure. As for not being intuitive, I take the point, but cpd is a standard abbreviation approved by the American Chemical Society for use in Chemical Abstracts and the like, so it should be understood by the chemists who are likely to be doing the higher level stub sorting needed. Walkerma 15:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. To be my sometimes pedantic self .... The abbreviation "cmpd" is used more frequently than "cpd" and should be used in the stub title. {{Organic-cmpd-stub}} should sit as a child of Category:Organic compounds and should be entitled Category:Organic compound stubs. {{Inorganic-cmpd-stubs}} should sit as a child of Category:Inorganic compounds and should be entitled Category:Inorganic compound stubs. Please use the boilerplate text at WP:Stub to create the templates and categories. Courtland 17:41, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

Nah, not good enough: if the stub is to indicate compound, why then making it so cryptic. I propose to write the word out in full: {tl|inorganic-compound-stub}} and {{organic-compound-stub}}. Wim van Dorst 18:57, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC).

The abbreviation "cmpd" is not cryptic to anyone who would be working on these articles, i.e. people with some chemistry-related experience. Courtland 19:38, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

...but it would be to stub-sorters. Remember we're trying to make the template names as easy to understand as possible! I'd agree with Wim's suggestion. Grutness...wha? 06:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I fully support the categorization proposed by Courtland (it seemed so obvious that I forgot to add it in to the proposal). I prefer my original suggestion for the titles ('cos it's quicker to type :), but I will bow down gracefully if others feel this will cause too much trouble for non-chemists! Physchim62 21:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The word compound is already a difficult word. Why making it more difficult to remember by arbitrarily abbreviating it to cpd or cmpd. It needs explanation in the very first sentence of this section! And I have a chemical background and still don't think that comp or cpd or cmpd is good to remember, assess for appropriateness for a give article and handier to type than compound. So I support [[user:Grutness|Grutness (and myself. Wim van Dorst 22:37, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC).

{{Inorganic-compound-stub}} and {{organic-compound-stub}} now created. Physchim62 14:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Operetta-stub}} *created*

This is for Category:Operetta and WikiProject Operetta. Most of the stubs will come from current opera-stubs. Opera-stubs are 161 and growing. Hopefully by creating the operetta stub, more people will get involved in writing articles. --DrG 20:28, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

{{Board-game-stub}} *created*

There are 700+ game stubs ATM; At a quick glance I think about a quarter are board games. Card-game-stubs might be a good idea too, but I'll let someone else propose that (and populate it!) Percy Snoodle 11:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Forgot to mention - Chess-stubs would become a subcategory of Board-game-stubs, which in turn would be a subcategory of Game-stubs. Percy Snoodle 11:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Seems logical to me. Are there any other other natural sub-categories here? I'm guessing there'd certainly be a viable number of "RPG-stubs", and maybe "Card-stubs" (or "Card-game-stubs"), too? I'm betting there are some miss-sorted cvg-stubs in here too (certainly spotted at least one), which might be significantly inflating the numbers. And the odd other mis-sort, like sports (or borderline sports...). There are certainly also some puzzles, but I'd doubt they'd be viable. Alai 23:11, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{geology-stub}} *created*

As a redirect to, or rename of, {{geol-stub}}. Would a rename need to go through SFD? --TheParanoidOne 11:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so - that's page's "What this page is not for" includes Malformed stub types to which no further deletion reasons apply with the advice of simply fixing them. I'd suggest, for the time being at least, a move - keeping geol-stub as a redirect. That way if it's decided to deprecate and remove geol-stub later it can be done easily. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Done. Geol-stub is now a redirect to geology-stub (I'd suggest that it should be a permanent redirect,. too). Grutness...wha? 02:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. --TheParanoidOne 05:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Are there any consequences of renaming a template that is currently in use by a large number of articles? --TheParanoidOne 10:27, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are, in that the heavily used template becomes the redirect so requires a double call-up on each article that it is on... other than that, though, I must admit I have no idea. {{geol-stub}} wasn't a hugely heavily used template though (about 450 articles). I'd have thought twice if it was sonething like bio-stub. Grutness...wha? 12:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Newly-discovered stub categories

{{Canada-poli-stub}}

Found: template and category for Canada politics stubs

Created: 20 April 2005

Creator: User:The_Tom

I've added this to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types

Courtland 11:27, 2005 May 13 (UTC)

Category:People's Republic of China geography stubs

This is a category without template; I've added this to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types page. Courtland 10:00, 2005 May 14 (UTC)

no no! There are several like that in the geography section! They are simply meant to hold other groups of categories, without having any articles in them (Category:Americas geography stubs is another one like that). If you put them on the stub tupes table, it will suggest to people that we want articles put in there (which we don't - everything is already covered by subcategories). Grutness...wha? 14:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe I've rectified this, as well as putting a paragraph in the introductory material, primarily for reference purposes. Courtland 18:53, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

Looks good - well done. I added Americas-geo up there too. Grutness...wha? 02:17, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

{{BBC-stub}}

Created by Steinsky, and well populated with things that should be marked {{station-stub}}, {{radio-stub}}, {{tvseries-stub}}... cuts across the hierarchy very thoroughly, in fact. Grutness...wha? 14:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I created this one because I think in this category articles are more likely to get dealt with and expanded. Almost all articles in this category will not be known by non-Brits, so non-Brits looking through the categories listed in the OP will not be able to expand them. On the other hand few Brits will be interested in trawling through the other categories looking for things they've heard of. An alternative would be UK-tv-stub and UK-radio-stub, I marginally prefer it as it is, but wouldn't object to moving to that system if others preferred it. Joe D (t) 14:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Breaking out UK-tvstation-stub, UK-radio-stub and UK-tvseries-stub (and the US equivalents) was actually something that was on my list of things to suggest (they would have been suggested by now if not for problems with the recently named railway station stub categories). They would make far more sense, since British TV editors would also be far more likely to know about ITV/Channel 4/independent radio-related items, and - since some TV shows have been known to switch between stations - it would make more sense to categorise things in that way. It would also have avoided cutting across the current categories. Grutness...wha? 00:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Engr-stub

Created on May 7 by User:Kmweber to be used with engineering stubs - already pretty much covered by industry-stub. Since then three stubs have been added to the category. Grutness...wha? 06:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Redirected to industry stub - category going on cfd. Grutness...wha? 21:39, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Industry-stub now points to Category:Engineering stubs, due to an recent edit from User:Hydrargyrum. Currently I can't revert this, as all edits to it fail. If anyone else is having more luck, or has a clearer idea what's going on, please have a look. Alai 21:03, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now fixed, though after about 20 attempts. Very odd. Alai 22:05, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iran-stub

Newly created by User:Pouya. Only two articles at present, but likely to get plenty more. Don't see too many problems with this one. Grutness...wha? 01:38, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Film-bio-stub and Military-bio-stub

Newly created by User:Fingers-of-Pyrex and User:Oven Fresh respectively. Both should be well-populated, although I see a problem with the first opne, since people who don't know may well put actor-stubs in there. I suspect it needs tweaking a little to avoid that happening. Grutness...wha? 08:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Would {{actor-stub}} be a subset of film-bio-stub, or at least some form of linkage? (Not all actors play in films.) — Instantnood 19:21, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

{{Soviet-stub}}

I was about to propose this one, and was surprised that it was already there. It's a recent creation, and I think it will be quite useful. A2Kafir 20:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

I created this stub, but I do apologize for not at least suggesting this beforehand. If this is approved by yall, which I do not think there is a problem, I suggest that it should be moved to the history section. Since Nazi Germany is already there, it would be a nice fit for this sub, since it is about a historical country. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Should have guessed :) Looks like a useful stub, but - as with nazi-stub - beware of places where it overlaps {{WWII-stub}}! Grutness...wha? 02:58, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

We can use the war stub for the WW2 stuff. Pretty much whatever the Nazi Germany template covers for them, the Soviet template will do the same thing, except on Soviet topics. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:02, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Nepal-stub? (*never existed!)

{{Nepal-stub}} has just appeared on the Stub type list - as a redlink. Apparently it (whatever it is) is on one article. The listing was put there by User: Common Man, whose user contribs list no templates. Not sure exactly what's going on with this, but I've asked him to answer a few questions relating to this one here - hopefully we'll hear from himsoon... Grutness...wha? 02:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I apologize if I've caused you any problem; I don't know what templates are. I just found (through the random page feature) this page about Osho tapoban and when I looked in the stub list for the right stub I noticed that the Asia section does not have an entry for Nepal. I think it should, and I wanted to help, so I created one. Sorry again, and feel free to do whatever you want with the stub and the page. Common Man 04:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay... well, first things first - as I explained on your user page, going through this page and proposing a template first is the best idea, since it is a requirement to have a large number of stubs before a template is made. At the moment, that's unlikely to be the case with Nepal. it's not really a case of what should have a stub because it's a worthy topic, it's more a case of what has enough stubs to make it worthwhile to make a separate category for editors.

As to what templates are (and forgive me if I get the terminally competely wrong - I know little about the workings of computers, the web, or wikis), they are a specific type of page that can be added into an article in the form of a label. They have to be separately created before use. So you would have needed to create the template before you added it onto that article. They are created by calling the page "Template:xxx", where xxx is the name you want for the template, instead of simply "xxx". Then, when you want to add the template to an article, you add {{xxx}} to the article.

In this particular case, the article is related to a specific settlement in Nepal, and therefore qualifies as a geography stub. There aren't enough geography items on Nepal to really require a separate category (on May 1 there were 26 of them), so they are categorised as Asia geography stubs, using {{Asia-geo-stub}}. If there ever get to be considerably more (usually a lower limit of somewhere betwen 60 and 100), then it will be worth creating a new category, but for now it's not really worthwhile. Grutness...wha? 06:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

{{Journalist-stub}} *created*

This has apparently been around for about a month. Looks like it may be of use. --Allen3 ^talk 18:11, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

AOL. Well over two hundred articles by now. --Joy [shallot] 11:35, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Netball-stub

Just discovered that {{netball-stub}} has been added to the list at WP:WSS/ST. Fits in with the hierarchy and naming standards, but I doubt it will get more than 20 or 30 stubs, if that. Grutness...wha? 10:09, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

{{malta-geo-stub}}

Sigh. there are currently only 26 Malta geography stubs, but that didn't deter the creation of this template. I added a category to it (it didn't have one - sigh again). Grutness...wha? 08:34, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Split of lang-stub

I note that someone (who by the looks of it knows about linguistics) has split Language stub into four subcategories. Waaay beyond my expertise to know about this, so I'll pass on other comments, other than to say that they're all made with lower-case letters for proper nouns... Grutness...wha? 00:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And now there's another one! What is going on here? Grutness...wha? 09:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oops... Mustafaa and I have been talking about this because {{lang-stub}} had become to big a subcategory to be usable (see User talk:Mustafaa#New stub category?). Then we went ahead and just created some of the more obviously needed ones (such as {{nc-lang-stub}}, which has absorbed at least 100 plain lang-stubs). I added them at WP:WSS/ST because I found a stub category tree there. I also told Ish ishwar about it, who subsequently created {{na-lang-stub}} and filled it with at least 200 stubs.

To be clear, all three of us are linguists and I think it is clear that splitting up according to language family is the best way to make language stubs more accessible. But I gather that we should've followed another procedure? I'm sorry about that... — mark ✎ 12:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Having myself an idea ogf the size of lang-stub (easilu over 1000 pre-splitting), the split is far from inapropriate, and possibly the less controversial so far, even though It didn't go through a formal WSS-sanctionned process.Circeus 14:14, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

I was unaware of this procedure - sorry about that - but agreed with Mark D that lang-stub desperately needed to be split to be more manageable. - Mustafaa 17:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Given the size of the category, it is appropriate to split it, and it's good to have someone who knows what they're doing making the split - but it would be good to know how many sections there are going to be (I note no split of Pacific island languages yet, for instance). There are not solid policies on "needing permission" here, but all stub-related pages strongly advise keeping us stub-sorters very much "in the loop" (after all, we need to know where to sort the stubs to!), and there are also a few guidelines of when to split (minimum number of stubs required, way to name categories and templates, etc). Grutness...wha? 02:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Concerning the minimum number of stubs — yeah, I decided not to create something like {{ks-lang-stub}} for Khoi-San languages because we never would have more than say 60 articles on Khoi-San languages anyway. Prime candidates for other categories would be Austronesian (1268 languages according to Ethnologue), Sino-Tibetan (>400), and Papuan languages (>500) (the latter is not a genetic unit but it is a commonly used term for non-Austronesian, non-Australian languages in the Papua area). I'm sure I missed a few, but I don't think there are going to be much more than these. — mark ✎ 12:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But now concerning the naming... unfortunately, we used lowercase characters for words that are normally capitalized — na for 'Native American', aa for Afro-Asiatic, nc for Niger-Congo', etc. Do we need to do anything about that? I'm sure the three of use don't feel like going through a hundreds of articles again just to change the capitalization — but maybe there is a bot that could do this sort of work, I don't know. The question is also relevant WRT the creation of new categories: should we keep everything lowercase now for consistency or should we go back and start all over again, this time without a false start? — mark ✎ 18:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If that's the way they're normally abbreviated by linguists, then personally I don't think it's that necessary - it's really to stop things like Sa-stub and Uk-stub (for South Africa and the UK respectively) which turned up a while ago. Grutness...wha? 19:28, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's not that linguists don't use capitals, I guess it was more because most uses of plain lang-stub I encountered were also lowercase... — mark ✎ 20:32, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think the split is handled very well - but I'll add a little caveat here: Since these distinctions are fairly specialist-orientated, you'll probably have to watch {{lang-stub}} and subsort it yourselves. It's easy to sort the stubs properly if the articles note the language family, however, since they are stubs, they often do not - at least not properly. I, for one, welcome our new language stub-sorting overlords will sort them into lang-stub if I'm not sure about the language family. Oh, and please list any subdivisions of stub categories on the category's article part in the future. I already listed the present ones on Category:Language stubs. -- grm_wnr Esc 21:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That should be OK. I've sorted most of Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan myself since it is very convenient to be able to look after them this way, and I'm sure other linguists will think the same way about it. I'll put a notice at the talk pages of the respective language families and at WikiProject Languages to that end. — mark ✎ 23:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

See WP:WSS/ST, {{au-lang-stub}} & Category:Austronesian language stubs & Talk:Austronesian languages, {{st-lang-stub}} & Category:Sino-Tibetan language stubs & Talk:Sino-Tibetan languages. — mark ✎ 23:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cuba-stub

Created a month ago - it had three stubs in it, two of which were geo-stubs. The name fits into the hierarchy nicely, but I doubt it will get the necessary 60+ stubs in it! Grutness...wha? 04:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Botany-stub

I would like to see a Botany stub to get many of those articles out of the general Biosci-stub cat (which is getting very large). It would make them easier to find so I can work on them and de-stub them. What do I need to do to make this new stub category? --DanielCD 21:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind, there's already one, it was just well-hidden. Now how do I get a cute lil' icon put in? --DanielCD 21:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You don't  :) We're currently trying to get rid of them, at least until the server problems are fixed. Grutness...wha? 02:06, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's ok. We can live without 'em. ;)--DanielCD 02:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Ratu-stub}} for Fiji people

Found: template and category for stubs related to people from Fiji

Created: 5 May 2005

Creator: David Cannon

I've added this to the Stub types listing. The category was created with out boilerplate, so I added that. Currently the category has 21 people in it.

Courtland 02:04, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Though I can understand the name, it's a very poor one to use (it would be like having "Sir-stub" for British people). If we're going to keep it, I'd sugggest redirecting it to {{Fiji-bio-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 02:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Courtland 02:45, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Done. Grutness...wha? 11:07, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{mv-stub}}

Lousy name... guess before I tell you. Motor vehicles? No. Movies? No. The Maldives! Currently has eight stubs, and I'd doubt it could get near 100. Grutness...wha? 08:53, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi there. {{Mv-stub}} was created because for singapore-related articles, there is a template called {{sg-stub}}. The reason for creating {{Mv-stub}} is, Maldivian wiki-contributors are relatively small (some 20?, pretty low wikiholic level). The idea of this template is to list all Maldive-related artilces under the category Maldives and expose the artilces to this small community, inorder to speedy-expand them. Also i did read the policy on creation of the new-stub, but got kinda confused. Asked for help in #wikipedia in IRC but there wasn't any response --Oblivious 09:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

sg-stub was created before this WikiProject began, and is one that we haven't yet managed to get round to renaming (note that singapore-stub does the same job), although our naming guidelines page lists it as a poor choice of name. As to the rest of the points, I've replied on your user talk page already, but - briefly - IRC was not a good place to ask, and there are far easier ways to alert other Maldivians than by creating a stub template. Grutness...wha? 09:34, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah I think the idea you suggested in my talk page is much better to expose these articles to the relavent community. --Oblivious 09:50, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{webcomic-stub}}

This stub is for webcomics. Examples are in these two articles, and some websites. pockethouse is a website with multiple comics. bob and george is a video game based webcomic that has been running for over five years. VG Cats is a webcomic based on wideo games as well. Sluggy Freelance is credited as the first webcomic, and has been running for eight years. Those are some examples, one might find some more.

Um... this one has been known for a while and is on the main stub-list at WP:WSS/ST. Grutness...wha? 08:27, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Anarchism-stub}}

This one was debated briefly a couple of months ago with no overall decision, but it's been created anyway, and seems fairly well populated (30-40 stubs). The irony of course, given the subject, is that it's been categorised perfectly and fits neatly into the hierarchy of stub categories. Grutness...wha? 01:41, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{iraq-bio-stub}}

I found it while sorting bio-stubs, and it currently has about 40 stubs in it. As I'm sure it will have more than enough articles as bio-stub gets sorted, I cleaned it up and added to the stub list.Remuel 15:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Lithuania-geo-stub}}

As with Malta above, so here with Lithuania, which (at last count) had just 15 geo-stubs, of which 4 were sorted here (I'm adding the rest). Sadly, I was shortly going to be suggesting a separate Baltic-geo-stub for Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, but this has largely scuppered those plans, because the other two between them won't reach target numbers. :( Grutness...wha? 00:28, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proposed deletions

{{Sikhi-stub}}

You know, there I was, happily adding category links to WP:WSS/ST, when I stumbled upon this one, which is nicely listed in the right place. What's not so nice is that its category doesn't exist, so I get the sneaking suspicion that it was never discussed here. Created on 30th of April by User:Harisingh, "What links here" shows three articles that have it. If I'm mistaken, please disregard this listing (and create the category, of course). If not, well, I've been itching to try out this SFD thing right over there... -- grm_wnr Esc 19:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't recall it being discussed, and we already have {{sikhism-stub}}. As for sfd, there's the pile at the bottom of this page, too... Grutness...wha? 02:45, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

moved to WP:SFD

... and subsequently deleted.--TheParanoidOne 08:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{AU-bio-stub}}

This category for "Australian people stubs" was just recently created, but there's already {{Australia-bio-stub}}, which is full of stubs, whereas this new one has zero. Hathawayc 01:50, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

• agree with delete - I came here to propose the same thing. --ScottDavis 02:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
• the same can be said for AU-actor-stub, although at least that one isn't a duplicate. Okay, I'll start the tfd/cfd process rolling. Grutness...wha? 10:47, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
• Agree post AU-bio-stub and AU-actor-stub to WP:TFD. Courtland 22:57, 2005 May 22 (UTC)

{{List-stub}}

I believe incomplete lists should have the {{listdev}} marking on them instead of being put in a category. Hathawayc 02:04, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Waay ahead of you! The category's on Cfd, and list-stub itself is a redirect! Grutness...wha? 02:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

{{Importantstub}} plus its redirect {{Important-stub}}

Although these template stubs have been mentioned here in the past, no action was taken. Well I got tired of seeing them added to articles like Toilet training, so they have now been nominated at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 05:50, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Substubs

The substub template and category are (at last!) up for deletion at tfd and cfd. If you have any comments to make either way on the subject, please do so (there, not here). Grutness...wha? 01:51, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

RIP

Ladies and gentlemen, the Substub is dead. Long live the glorious stub category revolution! Grutness...wha? 02:53, 18 May 2005 (UTC)