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Soviet destroyer Soobrazitelny (1940)

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Nominator(s): Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Kges1901 (talk)

Soobrazitelny was completed for the Black Sea Fleet days before the Germans invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941. She was very active in the first two years of the war, participating in the Raid on Constanta, bombarding Axis troops and escorting supply ships during the Sieges of Odessa and Sevastopol and providing fire support during the Battle of the Kerch Peninsula in 1942 and the amphibious landings at Novorossiysk in early 1943. After three destroyers were lost to German air attacks in October 1943, Stalin banned further operations in the Black Sea except with his permission and the ship was mostly inactive for the rest of the war. Afterwards she was converted to a rescue and decontamination ship and was the last surviving ship of her class when she was scrapped in the late 1960s. The article is bound for an eventual FAC and we'd like reviewers to keep that in mind.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Indy beetle

In the background, it would useful to explain why the USSR was ordering more destroyers. Was it part of a general naval expansion program? Was the country in need of more escorts, etc? Also, why does it say she was ordered under the "2nd Five-Year Plan" in the infobox? No explanatory info is offered in the article for this.
Her first combat operation was the Raid on Constanța, I think its best if the subsections start with the ship's name before using pronouns.

Done

A brief mention of Operation Barbarossa, thus explaining that the USSR and the Axis being at war, would be useful.\

Done

Soobrazitelny expended 203 main-gun shells and drove off an approaching torpedo boat with 76 mm fire, being erroneously reported by partisans to have sunk a submarine in Yalta harbor. This could use some revision, as I'm not quite sure if the dependent clause is referring to the torpedo boat or the destroyer.

Done

Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922–1946 is listed under Further Reading. Is there any information in that book that belongs here?
- No.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
According to this source, Soobrazitelny was originally going to be named Prozorlwyi, as it was intended that all of the Black Sea boats would be given P names, but this idea was scrapped.

Already stated in the article using the Romanization Prozorlivny.

-Indy beetle (talk) 05:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5

Claim my seat here. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soobrazitelny (Russian: Сообразительный, lit. 'Astute') was Unlink Russian because of common term.
the German invasion of the Soviet Union Link Soviet Union.
participated in several raids on the Romanian coast Pipe Romanian to the Kingdom of Romania.
would exceed the 37-knot (69 km/h; 43 mph) speed of the Project 7s Link knots.
Anti-aircraft (AA) defense/AA gun is overlinked.
as well as four 12.7-millimeter (0.50 in) DK or DShK machine guns Unaccasary extra nought after the 5.
They were fitted with a set of Mars hydrophones for anti-submarine work No link for Mars?
- Nope--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe German to Nazi Germany.
operation was the Raid on Constanța, which aimed to disrupt Axis supply lines Link Axis.
After leaving Sevastopol on the night of 25–26 June --> "After leaving Sevastopol on the night of 25/26 June"?
of the besieged port, under fire from Romanian artillery, on the night of 30–31 August --> "of the besieged port, under fire from Romanian artillery, on the night of 30/31 August" Also pipe Romanian to the Kingdom of Romania.
- Now linked in the lead.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Having expended 364 130 mm, 80 76 mm, and 327 45 mm shells in Odessa Try to avoid two separate numbers next to each other.
the ship departed the port for Feodosia on the night of 2–3 September --> "the ship departed the port for Feodosia on the night of 2/3 September"?
Feodosia is overlinked.
Five bombardments were conducted on New Years' Day 1942 Typo at New Year's Day.
the ship expended 283 130 mm, 144 76 mm, and 146 45 mm shells Try to avoid two separate numbers next to each other.
she expended 67 76 mm and 100 45 mm shells Same as above.
the destroyer expended 36 130 mm, 121 76 mm, and 212 45 mm shells Same as above.
Soobrazitelny fired a total of 345 130 mm shells Same as above.
Soobrazitelny expended 196 130 mm and 11 76 mm shells Same as above.
expended a total of 605 130 mm shells in bombardments Same as above.
Stalin is overlinked.
expending 2,863 main-gun, 1,215 76 mm, 1,623 45 mm, and 478 37 mm rounds Try to avoid two separate numbers next to each other.
Question, is it normal that the "External image" is closed?
Probably. External links normally don't fully display unless you add text after a pipe--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All done except the numbers.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask you why not the numbers? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't really possible to rephrase the numbers to avoid having them next to each other, and spelling the shells fired out would create a new problem. Kges1901 (talk) 20:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Poligon—I cannot find any information on this publisher, what makes it reliable?
- There's probably stuff in Russian, but it's hard to find reviews of hyper-specialized stuff like this.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:24, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Poligon appears to have been a now-defunct publisher of encyclopedias. Other books by this publisher are cited by RS such as [1].Kges1901 (talk) 10:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources look good.
Consistent citation style used.

Image review

Pass. All images are correctly tagged and free to use. Fiamh ^{(talk, contribs)} 04:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM

I reviewed at GAN, so haven't got much to add here:

could something be added that explains why ships of this class were built? In terms of how they fitted into Soviet Navy doctrine/planning?
- I think that that's better reserved for the class article.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
suggest in support of the landing at nearby Yuzhnaya Ozereyka

That's it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking this over, PM--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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