Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Egon Mayer

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Article promoted by Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Egon Mayer

Nominator(s): MisterBee1966 (talk)

I am asking for another A-Class review, thanks to all contributing. I am pushing the envelope on this one with respect to my own expectations regarding the coverage of this article. The article is really pretty thin on his personal life. However, I don't think that there are more sources available to consult, if there are, please let me know. Thanks again and I hope you at least enjoyed the read. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comment: G'day, MisterBee, I only took a quick look, sorry. I think there is a little inconsistency between the lead and the body. In the lead we have "volunteered for military service in the Luftwaffe of the Third Reich in 1936" but in the Early life section we have "Following his graduation, Mayer volunteered for military service in Luftwaffe on 1 November 1937". Should the "1936" in the lead be changed to "1937"? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

good spot! 1937 is correct, must have been a typo. Thanks for the catch MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

there is some English variation inconsistency: "organisation" (British) but "Defense" (US)
- done MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
is there are citation that could be provided for Note 1?
- done MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Recent research suggests that..." perhaps say who carried out this research. For instance, "Recent research by historian John Smith suggests..."
- done MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
do we know the names of his parents? If the sources don't say, no worries...
- sorry no MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
are there any details about a wife/fiancee? If the sources don't mention anything, that is fine...
- none to my knowledge MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"File:Rsjhnson.jpg": the source on this is Wikipedia...is there a better source that could be used, i.e. what is the original source before upload to Wikipedia? Additionally, is there a date that could be provided? AustralianRupert (talk) 21:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I found multiple versions of this image on the internet, example Carolinas Aviation Museum, what do we need to make it work? MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I removed the image until the issue is sorted out MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - I've added my support now, as all my comments have been addressed. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:25, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk)

" a secondary school built on the mid-level Realschule": I don't know what that means. - Dank (push to talk) 13:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
" Hegau-Gymnasium": Not for A-class. If sources (English sources preferably, but in German if that's all you can find) support an article on the English WP, create an article and link to it. If the article is deleted for lack of notability (unlikely), then we shouldn't be linking to it even in the German WP, because a link to any article implies that it's linkworthy per en.wp standards; in that case, go with "He went to school at the Langemarck-Realgymnasium (now the Hegau-Gymnasium) ...".

Thanks, I created a stub MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good. - Dank (push to talk) 13:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 03:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~

Copyedited so happy with prose but let me know any issues; one outstanding point:
- Seems the first thing that happens to him in WWII is the award of the Iron Cross 2nd Class on 25 October 1939 -- is there no info on why exactly, or at least what he did between 1 Sep and 25 Oct?
  - Thanks for the ce, so far I was unable to identify what happened in this timeframe MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Just a thought, have you been able to get hold of this book? Only snippet view on GoogleBooks but appears to have an overview of his career... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks for looking into this. No I don't have access to this book. Although I don't know for sure, I have my doubts that another generic German aces book would cover a very specific timeframe of Mayer's career, a timeframe which had little relevance in comparison those periods which made him excel above others. Since the book was written in 1982, I would assume that Stockert would have incorporated this info into his book. I believe this is a gap of 2 months in his career which we can't addess at this moment. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:40, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Sure. Just to be clear, it wasn't the two-month gap in his career in itself that interested me, it was what he might have done in that period to warrant the award of the Iron Cross 2nd Class -- so I take it that, as well as Stockert not mentioning how he earned it, there's no equivalent of The London Gazette that might include the citation for the award? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:27, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I understand what you are asking, and I asked this question myself. I have to admit that none of my sources say what he did in this timeframe. Sorry MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:35, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, tks for trying -- can't be helped. I expect I'll support once the File:Rsjhnson.jpg thingie is sorted (maybe ping Nikki for an opinion?). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I removed the image until the issue is sorted out MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, works for me. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:38, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from the above, detail seems fine; at MilHist ACR level, I'm not too fussed about personal life being a bit thin, though it may be considered more of a concern at FAC.
Structure is straightforward.
No image issues from me except I echo Rupert's query re. File:Rsjhnson.jpg.
No sourcing issues from me. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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