Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Diadumenian

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Diadumenian

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Nominator(s): Unlimitedlead (talk), Iazyges (talk)

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I recently noticed that Diadumenian, depsite being executed at the ripe old age of nine, has been categorized as a level-five vital article. The reason behind this is beyond me, but nonetheless, I decided to try my best to expand it. I think it is ready for A-class now, and I am more than willing to accomodate suggestions and comments. Iazyges, as the GA nominator, I think you would be interested in seeing how this article progresses. Unlimitedlead (talk) 03:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article was included in Vital Articles seemingly haphazardly selected from total Roman Emperors in this edit. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 08:17, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

"File:Macrino, aureo per diadoumeniano cesare, 217-18, 01.JPG" needs a licence for the original work.

Hey Gog, the file on Commons says that the image is an original work. Upon further inspection, it appears that the original photographed coin was overwritten by another user who uploaded a completely different picture. Should I just use a different image where the liscensing is more clear-cut? Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Up to you. But coins need both a licence for the image (the photograph) and for the original work. The latter shouldn't be a problem, it is probably out of copyright

. See "Licencing" in File:C. Caecilius Metellus Caprarius, denarius, 125 BC, RRC 269-1.jpg for an example. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: Done. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 20:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Iazyges for taking care of all that so quickly. I left my house for an hour or so and this is what I come back to. Astounding, truly. Unlimitedlead (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild

"Diadumenian was captured en route in Zeugma, and executed in late June." Any information on who captured him or who ordered his execution?
I can check other sources but present ones give zero extra details.
Unable to find any details.
"His mother was Nonia Celsa, whose name may be fictitious." How can a name be fictitious? I don't think that is what you are trying to communicate.
Added information that the name may have been invented by the Historia Augusta.

And in the main article: "and his possibly fictitious wife Nonia Celsa".

"was elevated to caesar". What role, authority and responsibilities did this entail?
Added gloss that it basically just meant heir at the time, especially given his age.
"a revolt against him". Against him specifically and soley?
Fixed.
"the praetorian fort at Apamea." What are the distinguishing features of a "praetorian" fort?
Source doesn't specify, but I imagine similar to the Castra Praetoria of Rome. I will double check.
Unable to find just about any details on this, as well.

I would assume that it was either the military capital of a praetorian prefecture or a superior fort maintained by a praetor. If you can't source a meaning I suggest you drop that word.

"at the Battle of Antioch, Macrinus fled north to the Bosporus". The Bosporus is not north of Antioch.
Clarified that he fled north, and then to the Bosporus.
"quickly declared support for Elagabalus, declaring the former emperors". Would it be possible to avoid declared and declaring in the space of five words?
Done.
"in an attempt to wipe all traces of Diadumenian and his father". "wipe"? Or 'wipe out'?
Done.
"although less than the amount struck for his father." Coins are discrete → 'fewer then the number ...'
Done.

Nice. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"a relative of Caracalla through his mother, Julia Soaemias, who was Caracalla's cousin." No need to say that he was both a relative of Caracalla and a cousin in the same sentence. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Unlimitedlead (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are two outstanding comments above. The second and fifth bullet points. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe all points have been addressed now. Unlimitedlead (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

Sources are all reliable, formatting is acceptable. Suggest standardising the hyphenisation of the ISBNs. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Sturmvogel_66

Not much meat on these bones, but what's there is fine
Pity we don't have any surviving information about how he was captured...--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HF

I'll take a look later this week. Hog Farm _Talk 02:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly. The article is quite short; hopefully it won't be a major inconvenience for you :) Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - not seeing anything to complain about. Bunson p. 130 apparently claims that the Historia Augusta says Diadumenian was a tyrant, but given that that seems to be the sole source and the HA is largely a load of crap, I think that can be safely ignored. Hog Farm _Talk 03:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Diadumenian was a tyrant? At nine? Geez, I didn't realize the HA was that bad. Thanks @Hog Farm for your support.

Unlimitedlead (talk) 04:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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