Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Utica

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Battle of Utica

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Nominator(s): Gog the Mild (talk)

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Another from my Featured Topic on the Truceless War. It doesn't, IMO, have quite enough detail in the sources to merit FAC, but hopefully sufficient for ACR. See what you think. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Image review there's sandwiching in the mutiny section. Is the reenactors image really helpful/necessary? For File:Carthage location 2 (cropped).png, the could be more effectively depicted using {{maplink}}. (t · c) buidhe 20:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Reenactors removed. Which should also cure any sandwiching. I am afraid that you have lost me with the other suggestion and link. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

CommentsSupport by CPA

• "and its surrounding waters, and also in North Africa" Unlink North Africa?

Done.

• "Freed of their long period of military discipline and with nothing to do, the men grumbled among themselves and refused all attempts by the Carthaginians" Sounds a bit like a romance?

Possibly. Plot spoiler - it ends badly. I am open to suggestions for different wording.

• "home towns against Carthaginian retribution.[12][13][14][15]" Maybe remove one citation?

They are all actually needed. I could split up the cites into the paragraph, although that would create a lot of mid-sentence citations. As you know, I usually limit cites to a max of three, but in this case four seemed the least bad solution.

• "according to the ancient Roman historian Polybius" Greek historian?

Changed.

• "Both Spain and Gaul provided" Isn't it Iberia and Gaul?

I have followed the sources, who pretty much all use this - admittedly inconsistent - mix.

• "were recruited from the Balearic Islands" Link?

Done

That's everything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 18:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi CPA-5 and thanks once again. All addressed. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

CPA-5 ? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me, support. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

HF

Will review soon. Hog Farm _Talk 17:10, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

• "The Treaty of Lutatius was agreed and brought the First Punic War to an end" - note that this occurred in 241]

Done.

• "Sicilians and Italians had also joined up during the war to fill the ranks" - were these Italians defectors from the Romans?

If only it were that simple. Some were. My preference is not to go down that rabbit hole of nuance and off-topic detail. (Note that 30 years later, during the 2PW, tens of thousands of Italians fought in Hannibal's armies.) But I could if you thought it helpful to readers.

Doesn't sound like it's worth getting into here, then. Hog Farm _Talk 15:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

• The 10,000 figure of the rebel army - is that for only the force at Utica, or the forces at Utica and Hippo combined?

Clarified.

Good work here, I think that's all from me. Hog Farm _Talk 02:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Hog Farm, appreciated. Your points [so far?] addressed above. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Supporting, tidy work as usual here. Hog Farm _Talk 15:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Also pass on source review - all sources are reliable enough for what they cite, I didn't see any major sourcing exclusions when I checked last night, and there are no serious formatting issues. Hog Farm _Talk 15:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Support from Hawkeye7

• Looks good to me. Made some minor copyedit changes. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Hawkeye, and for the copy edit. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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