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Article promoted by Gog the Mild (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 13:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list[reply]

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Nominator(s): Vami IV (talk)

42 cm Gamma howitzer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is an article about a very big, very heavy, very frustrating-to-read-and-write-about German artillery piece used in World War I and that somehow survived in one example to be used again in World War II. I'm nominating this article for A-Class status today because I think that it's pretty much done, though I don't think I can take it to FAC. Reason being is that one source, and an Osprey source at that, is doing the heavy lifting here, and the Gamma gun lives in the shadow of Big Bertha (howitzer), the other 42cm siege gun. Regardless, as far as I have been able to determine, said Osprey book is the most definitive, comprehensive, and credible source available for not just this gun, but all the German siege guns of World War I. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 21:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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  • File:Pentagonal Brialmont fort, 1914.jpg — It's not clear to me what the UK copyright status is. If there was a credited author for the image, he would need to have died at least 70 years ago.
Hi Vami_IV, would you care to respond to this? Gog the Mild (talk) 17:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oops; forgot about this. I can't even find the book the image is supposedly from, so I've just removed the image. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 19:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Otherwise, looks ok.

Congrats on your first A-class nomination! (t · c) buidhe 00:05, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HF - support

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I can generally tell the broad classes of ACW cannons apart on sight, but I'm not familiar with the more modern pieces. Will take a look at this though. Hog Farm Talk 21:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Body gives barrel length of 6.7; infobox has the longer 6.72 value. Which one is more correct?
  • Maximum elevation given in infobox is 66 degrees, while the body says it could get to 75
  • "On 27 February 1915, KMK Battery 1, with the 8th Army, joined the ongoing attack on Osowiec Fortress" - earlier you say that all siege guns were sent to the western front, so it should probably be mentioned that this represents a transfer to the eastern front

Good work here; I was writing these up when Zawed posted theirs so there may be some overlap. Hog Farm Talk 05:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive by comment

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  • "A single Gamma-Gerät survived World War I ... Three German siege guns survived to the end of World War I"? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is Three German siege guns survived to the end of World War I. Two were surrendered to the United States and the third,[27] the final Gamma-Gerät, was disassembled and hidden from Allied inspectors in Krupp's Meppen facilities.[27][28] clearer? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 22:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Zawed

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Generally looks good, a few nitpicks though: Lead

  • It was designed from 1906 to 1910,...: reading the article, this isn't quite right, the design work only took up part of this time, development and construction took up some too. I suggest rephrasing to something like "Design and development began in 1906 and it entered service four years later with the Imperial German Army". The following sentence would need a bit of rejigging. Suggest mention the number of pieces made in the lead as well.

Development

  • When rifled artillery became able to fire out of range of fortress guns,...: I'm having trouble parsing this. So are you saying rifled artillery had a greater range than fortress guns?
  • a 30.5 cm howitzer and a 42 cm gun.: this clearly distinguishes between howitzer and gun, i.e. that they are two different things. It is clear that this article is about the gun, yet the title is "42 cm Gamma howitzer"? Coming back to this I notice there was some discussion at the time of the GA review regarding the title.

Design and production

  • to assemble all seven,[b] 20–25-metric-ton (20–25 t) portions of the Gamma-Gerät.: suggest mentioning the fact it was so large that it had to be transported in sub-assemblies earlier in the section.

Ammunition

  • 42 cm high-explosive shell craters... and 42 cm shells were generally 1.5 m (4.9 ft) long,...: numbers shouldn't start a sentence unless written out.

Service history

That's it for me, looking forward to promoting this one for your first A-Class article. Zawed (talk) 05:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support in light of the responses above. Zawed (talk) 07:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Hawkeye7

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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:17, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Any more comments? –♠Vami_IV†♠ 08:44, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No more comments. Moved to support. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from CactiStaccingCrane (talk)

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Alright, not a MILHIST nerd but I will try my best reviewing :)

I assume CactiStaccingCrane is referring to Wikipedia:TERTIARY. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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  • All sources used appear reliable
  • Referencing style is consistent
  • All OCLCs/ISBNs link to appropriate pages
  • Found no issues to address regarding sourcing, so supporting in this department.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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