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- Consensus to demote –Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reappraisal review: I am nominating this article for reappraisal because it may no longer meet the A-class criteria since it was recently demoted at FAR. This was a December 2006 A-class promotion. -MBK004 07:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Reviewers: Please say whether Milhist should Keep or Demote this article. Reviewers should satisfy themselves that the article fails on at least one A-class criterion before recommending Demote and should explain their reasons when commenting.
Demote
Unfortunately there wasn’t any development of the article during the FAR so most of my concerns still stand, even when measured against less stringent criteria.
A1: The article is now peppered with fact tags and dead links, and as I look through it again I find I could add some more. For instance the sentence I brought up at FAR; “The military family knows that the service person may be killed in the line of duty, but may accept that risk because they are taught that the military mission is worth dying for.” isn’t referenced (it’s the short sentence afterwards that the ref covers), is hideously PoV and should be sourced or reworded.
I’m not sure some of the sources are reputable. Clifton was a student when she wrote a paper on Brats apparently, not exactly high quality. I’d also like to see more secondary sources relating the use of the term in the mainstream media.
A2: As per the FAR, it lacks cross-country comparison and the history of the Brat demographic and/or term in the US. Should have at least one or the other.
A3: Lead doesn’t reflect the contents, and reads more like a background section. Titles aren’t particularly encyclopaedic and aren’t hierarchical.
A4: Numerous spelling and grammar mistakes throughout the article. Isolated sentences and awkward passages can also be found in several sections. The tone of the article is more in keeping with a research paper than an article. I believe it needs a thorough copy-edit.
Ranger Steve (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Demote per above. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Demote
- lacks the international comparison. Lead is weak, needs a major league copy edit. Once that is finished, maybe. Auntieruth55 (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Demoted by Parsecboy (talk) 20:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reappraisal review: I am nominating this article for reappraisal because it may no longer meet the A-class criteria since it was recently demoted at FAR. This was a March 2007 A-class promotion. -MBK004 08:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Demote This article has very little info on the actual invasion itself, either on the Soviet side or the Polish defense, despite a plentiful literature available in Polish. It doesn't even mention the participation of the Soviet Air Force which committed quite a large proportion to the invasion. Demote to start for lack of completeness.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Demote per above - only few words about military actions itself. Despite lot of RS avialable.Article need to be completely rewrite. Some claims even not found at source referenced - like - claim to the Soviet 29th Tank Brigade on 17 September. If someone can help with grammar - I'll help- day by day and units by units (almost) - based on US, German, Russian and Ukrainian sources- in addition to Polish. P.S. Soviet Air Force actually actively involved only 2-3 days at the begining - bombing some germans and own units [1] thus - as also as no target it lage scale usage was cancelled - only tactrical aviation (like R-5) involved.Jo0doe (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Demote as per above. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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