Article was promoted at FAC - Evad37[talk] 00:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Forrest Highway is the shortest article I've nominated at ACR, but I feel this recently constructed road is comprehensive and up to standard. The article was promoted to GA last December, and has recently undergone further copyediting. If promoted, this would take all components of Western Australia's State Route 2 to FA/A-class.
"The existing alignment through Mandurah would form a bottleneck", how can an alignment form a bottleneck? Better wording is needed here.
There would ultimately be a freeway/expressway-standard road north and south of Mandurah, but not through Mandurah, thus the bottleneck. Evad37[talk]15:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"The road travels south for 6.3 kilometres (3.9 mi), over the Murray River and through rural land in and beyond South Yunderup.", what kind of rural land does the highway pass through?
We probably need to look at getting a template built for that... If I recall correctly, there is price index data going back to the 1970s available online for road construction in Australia. I'll have to have a look again. - Evad37[talk]15:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You mention how towns along the old route were affected with decreasing traffic volume, but are there additional affects to mention such as lost revenue to businesses?
I've expanded a bit with a new source, but there isn't much info available other than "loss of business" or "loss of trade" - Evad37[talk]15:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Issues addressed. I would continue to look into creating an inflation template for road construction in Australia that can be used in this and other articles. Dough487200:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The definite article seems to be used inconsistently. Example with emphasis: "Since the 1980s, the state government has been upgrading the main Perth to Bunbury route, by extending the Kwinana Freeway south from Perth, and constructing a dual carriageway on <no 'the' here> Old Coast Road north of Bunbury."
I've just discovered that almost 60 kilometres (37 mi) of road south of Lake Clifton has recently been renamed as part of Forrest Highway [1], so this ACR will need to be left on hold or suspended until I've had time to update the article with that section's route description, history, and junctions. - Evad37[talk]02:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I made one grammar change to this article last week, and have since read through it several times to try to get the true sense of it, My conclusion: It is a disjointed and confusing read for a non-local. My suggestion: Needs review by someone with local knowledge to get the grammar, sequence, and structure right without compromising accuracy. I will watch this space with interest, and will help if I can. Cheers. Downsize43 (talk) 07:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking an interest, Downsize43. Is there any way you could be a bit more specific? I would like to improve the article, but it's a bit hard to fix something if I can't really understand the problem. - Evad37[talk]10:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Happy to be of service, I hope.
First - some high school writing principles that I find invaluable:
Only one idea per paragraph
Avoid overly long and/or complex sentences
No more than five or six sentences per paragraph
While not suggesting that this article seriously breaches any of these principles, there is some scope for improvement.
Some general comments:
The lede seems overlong, and includes some almost verbatim text from the body of the article
Some of the sub-section headings in the History section could be expanded to include a time frame, eg. "New construction in the 1950s"
Avoid using the article name as a section etc heading, eg. perhaps "Redesignation as Forrest Highway"
Consider reducing or removing the descriptions of the effect of the Forrest Highway improvements on the South Western Highway
Consider reducing or removing the Old Coast Road section
I've adjusted some of the section headings, let me know what you think
Changed to "Forrest Highway after opening", since the content of that section is the history since the opening
I think that it is important to show that impact of the highway, as discussed by sources specifically relating the impacts to the the opening of Forrest Highway. Three sentences discussing this does not seem disproportionate to me.
I merged Old Coast Road here due to the significant overlap of the histories, and the description of these former sections of the Perth–Bunbury route seems appropriate to mention in the context of the current Perth–Bunbury route. This is not unprecedented, including related routes below the junction list is quite common for U.S. roads.
Well, I was thinking PD along the lines of "you can't copyright something simplistic like a block of text on artistic grounds", but it should be fine. --Rschen775400:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Adding exact distances in between the junctions leads to tedium - isn't that what the major intersections list is for?
I would have thought most road articles would give distances in the route description, WP:USRD/NEW even says Exact distances are quoted, giving a sense of scale. - Evad37[talk]10:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
the adjacent land... as in "while the adjacent land was still privately owned, it [ie, the adjacent land] was uninhabited" - Evad37[talk]10:55, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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