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Reliable sources sometimes disagree about race results, particularly in the case of restarted races. This page documents the current consensus for such cases (with links to discussions where applicable), noting that an individual race result appears in multiple articles (the race report article, the season summary article, the driver's article, the team's article and the car's article) and it should appear the same in all places.

If you think one of the consensus results (listed in the "English Wikipedia" column of the tables) should be changed, you are welcome to start a discussion – WT:FORMULA1 is probably the best place, for maximum visibility.

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yellow sources disagree
no shading all sources agree

Restarted WDC races

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Race Drivers not present at the restart Result according to As at Notes
Forix formula1
.com
grandprix
.com
Chicane
F1
Lang* English
Wikipedia
73 GBR J.Scheckter, Hailwood, Pace, Mass, Beltoise,
de Adamich, Williamson, Follmer, Oliver
DNS Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
76 GBR none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
76 GER Ertl, Lauda, Stuck, Lunger Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
Amon Ret WD Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
78 AUT Andretti, Scheckter, Piquet, Rebaque Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
78 ITA Peterson, Pironi, Stuck, Lunger, Brambilla Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
79 ARG Scheckter, Merzario, Pironi, Piquet, Tambay Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
79 RSA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
80 CAN Daly, Thackwell Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
81 BEL Patrese, Stohr Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
81 FRA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
82 CAN Paletti, Lees Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
Jarier Ret WD Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
82 DET Suspension took place on lap 7, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
84 DET Surer Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
84 GBR Suspension took place on lap 11, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
84 AUT none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
85 AUT Ghinzani DNS DNS Ret Ret DNS 2015-07-05
86 GBR Laffite, Danner, Ghinzani, Berg Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
87 BEL Palmer, Campos DNS Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-05-10
87 AUT Streiff Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
87 POR Danner DNS DNS Ret Ret "not started" Ret 2010-04-22
87 MEX Suspension took place on lap 30, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
88 POR none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
89 SMR Suspension took place on lap 4, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
89 MEX none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
89 FRA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
89 AUS Larini Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2015-07-05
Prost Ret "withdrew" WD Ret "withdrew" Ret "withdrew" Ret 2015-07-05
90 BEL Barilla, Suzuki Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
90 ITA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
92 FRA Suspension took place on lap 18, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
94 SMR Suspension took place on lap 7, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
94 ITA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
94 JPN Suspension took place on lap 15, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
95 ARG Badoer DNS DNS Ret Ret "not started" DNS 2010-04-22
95 MON Schiatterella DNS DNS Ret Ret "not started" DNS 2010-04-22
Verstappen DNS Ret Ret Ret DNS 2010-04-22
95 ITA Moreno, Montermini Not started omitted r "retired After First Start" ret DNS 2022-10-18 formula1.com's omission of the drivers implies that they consider they did not start the race.
95 POR Papis, Katayama DNS Ret Ret "retired After First Start " Ret Ret 2015-07-05
96 AUS Herbert Not started omitted r ret "not started" DNS 2022-10-14 formula1.com's omission of Herbert implies that they consider he did not start the race. StatsF1 says "ab" (= "retired"). See discussion
97 BRA Magnussen DNS Ret Ret Ret DNS 2015-06-01
98 CAN none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
98 FRA none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
98 BEL Barrichello, Panis, Rosset, Salo DNS DNS Ret Ret DNS 2010-04-22
99 GBR M.Schumacher DNS DNS Ret Ret DNS 2015-07-18 See discussion.
00 MON de la Rosa DNS DNS Ret omitted entirely DNS 2015-07-05
01 GER none (all drivers restarted) n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a
01 BEL Räikkönen, Burti, Irvine, Alonso DNS omitted Ret Ret DNS 2019-02-04 The FIA lap chart states that the first part of the race was declared null and void. The FIA race classification omits the four drivers (implying that they did not start). See discussion.
07 EUR Button, Rosberg, Sutil, Speed, Liuzzi Ret Ret Ret Ret Ret 2010-04-22
14 GBR Race was resumed, already retired cars not allowed to take restart. n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a

Other disputed results/information

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Race Driver(s) Result according to As at Notes
Forix formula1
.com
grandprix
.com
Chicane
F1
Lang* English
Wikipedia
52 NED van der Lof Not classified Ret
"Not classified"
NC Ret
"Not classified"
"Also running
at finish"
NC 2013-01-26 All sources agree that he was not classified. But some incorrectly specify the result as "Ret".
53 FRA Fastest Lap Fangio
2:41.0
Fangio or Fangio+Ascari
2:41.1
Fangio
2:41.0
Fangio+Ascari
2:41.1
Fangio
2:41.1
2020-07-23 Discussion and several other sources on the talk page. Most contemporary sources give Fangio only, 2:41.1
63 MEX Dochnal DNQ DNQ DNS DNQ DNS DNQ 2011-10-28
64 BEL Surtees, laps completed 3 4 3 4 3 3 2014-11-15
67 MEX Fisher Not started NC/DNF r ret Non-starter DNS 2019-12-21 Motor Sport says "DNS". StatsF1 says "ab" (= "retired"). See discussion.
70 RSA Fastest lap Brabham Brabham+
Surtees
Brabham+
Surtees
Brabham+
Surtees
Brabham 2023-02-01 Motor Sport and Small 1995 pages 77 & 371 also credit both drivers. See discussion.
70 GBR de Adamich DNS Ret DNS Ret DNS DNS 2011-09-01 Page 127 of Lang Vol 2 indicates that de Adamich suffered his problem before the warmup lap.
71 GER Siffert DSQ DSQ Ret DSQ DSQ DSQ 2013-08-11 Page 160 of Lang Vol 2 says "Siffert was disqualified for taking to the pits loop on lap 7"
71 GER Marko Not qualified nq dnq Also practised various 2023-08-24 Page 159 of Lang Vol 2 says "During the afternoon the Austrian sports car driver Dr. Helmut Marko set off in Bonnier's McLaren but almost immediately ran out of fuel and gave up in disgust." See discussion.
71 CAN Craft DNQ DNQ DNS DNQ DNQ DNQ 2011-08-31 Page 166 of Lang Vol 2 says that Craft initially failed to qualify for the GP, but following crashes for Pescarolo and Ganley in the morning warmup, would have been allowed to start the race, but couldn't due to engine problems. See discussion.
71 CAN Ganley Ret Ret DNS Ret DNS DNS 2011-03-19
72 MON Gethin Ret DSQ DSQ ret Ret Ret 2019-12-08 StatsF1 and silhouet.com say "DSQ"; Racingsportcars.com and Motor Sport say "Ret". See discussion.
74 SWE Robarts DNQ DNQ DNS DNQ DNS DNS 2011-04-15 Page 35 of Lang Vol 3 specifically mentions that he qualified.
grandprix.com indicates that Robarts' car was raced by Belso.
74 GER Hulme Ret Ret R/DQ Ret Ret DSQ 2015-07-8 Hulme restarted the race illegally in the spare car and was blackflagged.
75 GER Ashley DNS Ret DNS Ret DNS DNS 2010-07-04
76 GBR Regazzoni, Laffite Disqualified NC/DNF r/dq ret Ret DSQ 2019-03-21 StatsF1 says "dsq". See 2013 discussion which resulted in a consensus of "Ret" and 2019 discussion which resulted in a consensus of "DSQ".
76 JPN Fastest lap Laffite Laffite Hasemi Hasemi Laffite 2017-04-11 See discussion.
77 ESP Lauda DNS DNS DNS Ret DNS DNS 2010-12-12
77 GER Heyer Started the race unofficially NC/DNF r ret Ret DSQ 2019-11-08 StatsF1 says "dsq".
78 AUT Daly 41 laps 41 laps 43 laps 41 laps 41 laps** 41 laps 2015-07-08 **For the drivers who retired in the second part of the race, Lang records the lap of the restarted race on which the driver retired. The values in the "Lang" column for these drivers are derived on the assumption that they completed all 7 laps of the first part of the race.
Lauda 27 laps 27 laps 28 laps 27 laps 27 laps** 27 laps 2015-07-08
Reutemann 28 laps 28 laps 27 laps 28 laps 28 laps** 28 laps 2015-07-08
Hunt 8 laps 7 laps 8 laps 7 laps 7 laps** 7 laps 2015-07-08
Ertl, Patrese 7 laps 7 laps 6 laps 7 laps 7 laps** 7 laps 2015-07-08
Piquet 4 laps 4 laps 2 laps 4 laps 4 laps 4 laps 2015-07-08
Rebaque 4 laps 4 laps 1 lap 4 laps 4 laps 4 laps 2015-07-08
82 RSA Arrows A3 A3 A4 A4 2012-02-05 StatsF1, Autocourse Grand Prix Archive, Kimberley's Grand Prix Team Guide, the 1982 Autocourse annual and the contemporary Motor Sport race report also say "A4". See discussion.
82 BRA Paletti DNPQ DNQ DNQ DNPQ DNPQ DNPQ 2010-08-08
82 SMR Warwick DNS Ret Ret Ret DNS Ret 2012-12-10
86 CAN Tambay DNS Ret DNS Ret DNS 2013-02-02 grandprix.com states that Tambay crashed in the morning warm-up.
88 BRA Larrauri DNS Ret Ret Ret Ret 2013-03-11
88 DET Tarquini DNPQ DNQ DNPQ DNPQ DNPQ 2013-03-24
89 BRA Patrese Ret 15 Ret Ret 15/Ret 2013-09-10
94 ESP Beretta DNS DNF DNF DNF DNS 2017-04-11 See discussion.
94 SMR Barrichello DNQ DNQ DNQ DNQ DNQ 2012-11-18
94 GBR Irvine Not started NC/DNF r ret DNS 2021-03-04 The Motor Sport magazine database says "DNS". StatsF1 says "np" (= "DNS").
95 BRA Martini Not started NC/DNF r ret DNS 2020-04-02 FORIX says "gearbox broken on the formation lap". The contemporary Motor Sport race report says "Rtd". The Motor Sport magazine database says "DNS". StatsF1 says "np" (= "DNS"). See discussion.
95 AUS Häkkinen DNS DNS DNS DNS DNS 2010-04-22
98 HUN Wurz 16th Ret 16th 16th 16th 2011-11-17
02 FRA Fisichella DNQ WD DNQ DNQ 2012-08-31 See discussion.
03 MAL Villeneuve DNS Ret Ret Ret DNS 2015-02-22 StatsF1 also says "DNS". See discussion.
05 USA all the Michelin runners DNS Ret Ret Ret DNS 2010-04-22

* "Lang" = Mike Lang's Grand Prix! series of books (covers 1950–1984)