Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Seattle Sounders FC task force/TFAR archive

This is an archive of Today's Featured Article requests and discussions for articles covered by the Seattle Sounders FC task force. It is meant to aid task force members in understanding how the process works for creating a blurb, calculating points, and nominating articles.

August 8, 2012

Occasion: Date of the 2012 U.S. Open Cup final

Diffs: nom removed followup request

CenturyLink Field is a multi-purpose stadium in Seattle, Washington, United States. The stadium was designed for both American football and soccer. It serves as the home field for the Seattle Seahawks of the National Football League (NFL) and Seattle Sounders FC of Major League Soccer (MLS). Sounders FC have hosted and won two U.S. Open Cup championship matches at CenturyLink in 2010 and 2011, setting an attendance record for the tournament final each time. The venue also hosts concerts, trade shows, and consumer shows along with sporting events. Located within a mile (1.6 km) of Seattle's central business district, it is accessible by multiple freeways and forms of mass transit. It was built between 2000 and 2002 after voters approved funding for the construction in a statewide election. This vote created the Washington State Public Stadium Authority to oversee public ownership of the venue. CenturyLink Field is a modern facility with views of the skyline of Downtown Seattle and can seat 67,000 people. (more…)

Four points I think, maybe five. Two points because it's been over two years since the article was promoted. Two points because there are 20 versions of the article in various languages. There's a weak chance it could get one last point for date relevance because I'm nominating it to appear on the same day that one of it's tenants (Sounders FC) competes for a fourth straight title in the U.S. Open Cup final (though not at CenturyLink this time). Related U.S. Open Cup records are mentioned in the blurb. I've contacted the main contributor (who now has a retired banner on their user page) to discuss the nomination, but have not received a response. Having worked with him before he retired, I believe he would have approved of this nomination. --SkotyWA^T_C 01:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Ref #3 is a bare URL; it's the only thing keeping me from supporting the nomination.--Chimino (talk) 02:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch. I've fixed the ref. --SkotyWA^T_C 21:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; support for a well-structured, well-sourced venue article.--Chimino (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)00:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Not a Seahawks nor Sounders fan, but this is quite a detailed and well-sourced page. Zappa O Mati 15:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 4, 2011

Occasion: Date of the 2011 U.S. Open Cup final

Diffs: nom scheduled/removed

The 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final was played on October 5, 2010, at Qwest Field (now CenturyLink Field) in Seattle, Washington. The match determined the winner of the 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, a tournament open to amateur and professional soccer teams affiliated with the United States Soccer Federation. This was the 97th edition of the oldest competition in United States soccer. Seattle Sounders FC won the match, defeating the Columbus Crew 2–1. The final drew an attendance of 31,311 surpassing the 81-year-old record for the event. Sounders FC became the first team since 1983 to win two consecutive U.S. Open Cup championships and the first Major League Soccer club to ever do so. As a result of its U.S. Open Cup championship, Seattle earned a berth in the preliminary round of the 2011–12 CONCACAF Champions League, as well as a $100,000 cash prize. The Crew received the runner-up prize of $50,000. (more…)

At least one point, maybe two. One point because it's been over three months since the last soccer (association football) related article (Luton Town Football Club on June 10). Possibly one point for date significance, except that I'd like to run it a day early to coincide with the 2011 final which will be played on October 4th instead of the 5th. --SkotyWA^T_C 15:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One point Date relevance. We consider running it on the actual date in the present year acceptable for date relevance. I don't agree on the soccer point. Raul could run sports articles for a month on that basis, each asking for main page representation points.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per SkotyWa's statement Quidster4040 (talk) 02:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support I should note that I am extremely biased. The article is great. There is some fun date relevance. I don't have the info in front of me but it feels like it has been a long enough period (probably only barely) since a sports related article was up. Cptnono (talk) 06:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, although I should note that Sounders FC are my MLS team. I agree with Wehwalt's tally, based on the fact that non-biographical sports articles are grouped together at WP:FA. —WFC— 15:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

March 19, 2011

Occasion: 2 year anniversary of inaugural game in 2009 and the date of the second match of the 2011 season

Diffs: nom, scheduled/removed

Several players are standing together with one lifting a large trophy upward — Players celebrate after winning the 2009 U.S. Open Cup

Seattle Sounders FC is a Major League Soccer (MLS) team based in Seattle, Washington that plays its home matches at Qwest Field. It was established in November 2007 as an MLS expansion team. The league's 15th team; Sounders FC played the first match of its inaugural season on March 19, 2009. During their first two seasons every home game was sold out, they set a new MLS record for average match attendance, and they sold the most season tickets in the league. Seattle finished both seasons with a winning record and qualified for the MLS playoffs. In 2009 Sounders FC became the second expansion team in MLS history to win the U.S. Open Cup, and in 2010 became the first ever MLS team to repeat as Open Cup champions. Fans selected the Sounders name for the club through an online poll in 2008, making the Seattle Sounders FC the third Seattle soccer team to bear the moniker. (more...)

Nominating on the 2 year anniversary of the club's inaugural game. I think the score for this nom is 4 points. 1 point for 1+ years at FA level, 1 point for date relevance, and 2 points for a widely covered article. --SkotyWA^T_C 06:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Points look good. I would say "bear" rather than "share", after all the first team didn't share it until there was a second team. Just being picky.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, good point. I changed it. Thanks! --SkotyWA^T_C 03:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. anything that promotes football (the round-balled one) is good :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support anything that promotes football (especially the Sounders) is good :) The article has turned out great.Cptnono (talk) 00:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support—although I'm just a tad biased in this regard.—RJH (talk) 17:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support well written article and an interesting subject. Take em all! Udeezy (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per Casliber (talk · contribs), sound reasoning. :P -- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A worthy article for a great club. Well written and comprehensive. Argyle 4 Life^talk 14:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per Argyle 4 Life (talk · contribs). – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 17:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

September 26, 2010 (nonspecific date)

Occasion: Appeared the week before the 2010 U.S. Open Cup final which was played on October 5, 2010

Diffs: 1st nom, replaced, discussion, 2nd nom, scheduled/removed

Sounders FC players lift the U.S. Open Cup trophy after winning the final.

The 2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final was played on September 2, 2009, at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium in Washington, D.C. The match determined the winner of the 2009 edition of the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, a tournament open to amateur and professional soccer teams affiliated with the United States Soccer Federation. This was the 96th edition of the oldest competition in United States soccer. The match was won by Seattle Sounders FC, who defeated D.C. United 2–1. Seattle became the second expansion team in Major League Soccer history to win the tournament in their inaugural season. D.C. United entered the tournament as the competition's defending champions. Both Sounders FC and D.C. United had to play through two qualification rounds for MLS teams before entering the official tournament. Prior to the final, there was a public dispute between the owners of the two clubs regarding the selection of D.C. United to host it at their home field, RFK Stadium. As the tournament champions, Sounders FC earned a berth in the preliminary round of the 2010–11 CONCACAF Champions League. The club also received a $100,000 cash prize, while D.C. United received $50,000 as the runner-up.

Nominating this again. The 2010 edition of this tournament will happen on October 5th, so it would be good if this can appear on the main page any time before or on that date. The exact date of October 5th is not directly relevant to the article, only indirectly as explained. Therefore, I think this only gets one point because I've never had an FA on the main page. For reference, the collapsed box below contains the !votes and discussion from the eariler nomination of this article from 3 days ago. --SkotyWA^T_C 21:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

previous discussion

October 5th is the 2010 date of the 97th edition of this annual sporting event. We haven't had a soccer related article featured on the main page since July 11 (the last day of the World Cup), so there should be no point deduction for a similar recently featured article. However, I think this only gets 2 points, 1 for the significant date, and 1 because this is my first nomination. --SkotyWA^T_C 16:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I know this isn't the right place for it, but I thought we didn't put sponsoring names into article titles. Shouldn't it be 2009 U.S. Open Cup Final? The article itself is worthy, but I'm not a big fan of throwing a promotional name onto the main page. Reso lute 17:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be fair, Lamar Hunt is a person the event is named in memory of, and not a company paying for the name, which I would be opposed to putting up. Courcelles 17:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh... uh, yeah. That's totally different then. Disregard my question. Reso lute 18:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as a one-point nomination. I don't think this should get the date significance point, given the talk page discussion on whether that point is being awarded too loosely. While this is a good date to run the article, it's not a significant date within the article. Karanacs (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wouldn't the most recent soccer-related article as today's featured article by Roy of the Rovers on September 11? I don't know if a comic strip would be considered similar to an actual soccer tournament though. Calathan (talk) 18:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I agree with the talk page discussion in principal, however it overlooks annual events like this or events that happen every 4 years (the Olympics or the World Cup) but not necessarily on the exact same month and day. All other factors being equal, this article seems more appropriate for October 5 than another random FA with no connection to the date. It is a weaker connection though. Also, it seems like "soccer" is pretty much the only thing Roy of the Rovers and this article have in common (and literally nothing else). I'm not a regular contributor here, so I don't know if that's too similar for the scoring system or not. --SkotyWA^T_C 04:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing in the rules that prevents one from nominating an article for a date even if the connection is a little more tenuous. The rules only govern whether the nomination gets the date relevance point or not. I wouldn't consider Roy of the Rovers to be similar enough to deduct points. Karanacs (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And no doubt the manga people would say that R of the R is not similar to them ... we have to deal broadly otherwise every article becomes sui generis and a category onto itself. Otherwise we get the US cup final one day, the comic the next, that awful soccer movie with Pele in it the third, all solemnly stating they are none of them similar to the other.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but it's possible to be too broad as well as too narrow. A comic about a sport vs a sports tournament in a country in which the comic was never published have such a tenuous similarity that there's no real crossover; to me, it's like saying we shouldn't run Hoover Dam because we just ran Interstate 15 in Arizona and they're both in Arizona and made of concrete. – iridescent 20:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find I-15 is made of asphalt ... and the dam's only half in Arizona! So there! :)--Wehwalt (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]