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The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

The proposed WikiProject was not created. Thanks all for your comments. Project not created at this time due to insufficient interest from other editors. For anyone looking to improve HP Lovecraft articles, perhaps look to Wikipedia:WikiProject Horror as a place to coordinate your efforts. If the effort gets too large there, feel free to reopen this proposal anytime. Ajpolino (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Description

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A project to tag and improve articles relating to the horror writer H. P. Lovecraft. Auric talk 13:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of important pages and categories for this proposed group

List of WikiProjects currently on the talk pages of those articles
Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.
Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
I jumped the gun and created it first instead of proposing it, for which I'm sorry. I am serious about creating this project and believe it has enough scope, since Lovecraft (or any author) is simply not only about his works. He had family, a circle of notable friends, lived in several notable places and influenced other writers after his death.--Auric talk 13:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support

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I will, of course, join the project.

  1. Auric talk 13:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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@Auric: thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia. As was mentioned in the MfD discussion, the most important component of a WikiProject is the people: one person does not a project make. Do you think 30 days from now is sufficient to time for you to gather some fellow travelers to this project? UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

+1 I suggest turning this into a task force within an existing project so that you don't sink a bunch of time into creating a new project, not to have the people to support it. Early in my editing days I tried to create subgroups like this, but failed pretty miserably because I didn't have a community around it. Having items tagged under a task force header that technically aren't in the scope of the broader project is just fine: several of the task forces at WikiProject Novels do this, by example. Sadads (talk) 14:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. I'm not sure how to do it though.--Auric talk 16:25, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would go to the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Horror and raise the possibility of this task force there; they should be able to help. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a taskforce would be a much better idea. But even that is pointless if there aren't a decent number of participants. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that Wikipedia:WikiProject H. P. Lovecraft was deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject H. P. Lovecraft. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as taskforce/workgroup (subproject) only, probably of WP:WikiProject Horror, and probably as "Cthulhu Mythos" not "H. P. Lovecraft", or at least "H. P. Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos". More stuff has been written in that fictional universe by other authors at this point than by Lovecraft, by at least an order of magnitude, and little of his work not in that "franchise" (as we'd call it today) is particularly notable. The broader topic is certainly enough to sustain a workgroup, as it also involves video games, non-video roleplaying games, movies, comics, and much else. However, it's too narrow to support a stand-alone wikiproject that would remain active very long; there would be a burst of activity or two, then it would probably shrink to 1–3 editors who would mostly focus on other things, then just cease activity as a project entirely. That's the way these too-specific project ideas virtually always go. (And in the rare cases they don't, they usually wander into WP:NOT territory and try to be Fandom.com-style "fanwankery wikis", leading to lots of WP:AFD activity and other messes; we've already been through this with Pokemon and several other narrow entertainment topics. PS: I don't buy the the previous MfD; if you read it, it was obviously targeted at a specific editor and was basically a "revenge" MfD by anti-portal zealots against someone for creating and trying to defend a Lovecraft portal. Besides, much of the point of WP:COUNCIL/P is to establish support for a project or (more often) a taskforce/workgroup. The MfD essentially concluded (even if you pretend there is not WP:FALSECONSENSUS problem) that the project was improperly created and without any clear need/support for it. That can't rationally be used to attempt to preclude using the proper process to see whether there is actually support for at least a workgroup; that would be circular (and backward-running) reasoning. The MfD is what lead the proposal here, it isn't a reason to not have the proposal be here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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