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The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

The proposed WikiProject was not created. Discussion has been basically stale for seven months, and no one has commented in the last four months, so it looks like this is not going to happen. I also see a consensus that creating it would not be beneficial: it is argued that the topic (including modern-day matters) is entirely within the scope of existing taskforces of WikiProject Military history and that creating a separate WikiProject would lead to duplication of effort. PJvanMill)talk( 11:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Description

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Welcome to this proposal for the WikiProject British Armed Forces. Please read below my proposal, and the support we have. CalderUK (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of important pages and categories for this proposed group

List of WikiProjects currently on the talk pages of those articles
Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.
Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
The group above is purely focused as a task force, and there is no fixed WikiProject set out to create and edit articles relating to the British Armed Forces.

This WikiProject would focus not only on the history behind the branches, regiments, squadrons etc. of the British Armed Forces, but also with the;

  • New appointments of senior roles,
  • New appointments created,
  • New deployments of the British Armed Forces,
  • Branch-wide reforms,
  • Regimental-wide reforms,
  • Creation of new regiments & batallions,
  • Article creation on new military defence technologies from the Ministry of Defence,
  • Article creation on any and all important changes coming out of the Army 2020 Refine.

The ones stated above are only a few of the most important issues and tasks this dedicated WikiProject would work on. This task force focuses mainly on history within the British Empire, which can cause an issue on the updating of modern articles surrounding the BAF (British Armed Forces) From this, I hope you see that this WikiProject would play a fundamental part when it comes to the evolution of factual and well-sourced content on Wikipedia regarding Her Majesties' British Armed Forces.

In this modern era, the British Armed Forces is seeing incredible change; we must be here to follow alongside that change.

Support

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Also, specify whether or not you would join the project.

  1. CalderUK (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think that there is scope for this WikiProject, which not already explicitly duplicated by the British military history task force, as the task force's scope (as defined in the Scope section) is on history (not current military topics). However, non-historical articles have been tagged as under the scope of this task force, so its scope may "de facto" include these articles. This is not my area of editing, however, I am interested in the Royal Air Force (as I was an air cadet). I might join the project. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 01:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I'd support the project because I think there should be a space for the British Armed Forces separate from historical items. --Mikeduke324 (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Enough scope. I'd join. dibbydib boop or snoop 03:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  5. GeordieNamedPercy
  6. This is a good idea, but I myself wouldn't join. I don't know much about the proposed idea. However, this WikiProject would be a great asset to Wiki; editors need to know where to look for help and to help each other for a topic. I'm part of WikiProject Star Wars, and we have plenty to do there.Dswitz10734 (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

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  1. WP:MILHIST is the very well functioning center for all military-related group collective efforts on Wikipedia (arguably the best one in the whole project), not just those of a historical nature, and I would point the advocates of this one to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/National militaries task force as a particularly good home for these efforts. IMHO it will certainly be suboptimal for this effort to exist outside of the WP:MILHIST umbrella. But I have solicited more feedback on that project's talkpage. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  2. As Dreamy Jazz correctly observes, the existing British military history task force already includes current military affairs; please keep in mind that the usage of "military history" across MILHIST is intended as a broad umbrella term, and that the project and its task forces "generally consider any article related to historical or modern-day warfare or military affairs to be within our scope" (WP:MILHIST#SCOPE). If the description of the scope on the task force page needs to be clarified, or if additional technical features or tools specific to the modern and future British armed forces need to be implemented, then that can certainly be done; but creating a new, entirely separate project will mean that the topic cannot benefit effectively from MILHIST's existing infrastructure, and will result in a significant duplication of effort for tagging, assessment, and so forth. Kirill Lokshin (talk) 17:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This is an unneccessary duplication of the existing task force within MILHIST. Nothing in the proposal is actually outside of the scope of the existing task force. The proposal is misinterpreting the scope of the task force too narrowly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose per opposers - never divide your forces if you can avoid it. Johnbod (talk) 21:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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1) Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Task forces describes them as tending to be subgroups of established projects.
2) MILHIST is a broad church but has included groups Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Operation Majestic Titan.
3) Wikiproject:Tanks ended up folding into the Milhist military land vehicles task force
4) There is a likely to be overlap between Milhist members (and fellow travellers) and proposed group.
5) Milhist has some good existing organisation and organisational skills.
GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The goal here should be to identify the structure which will best encourage and facilitate improvements to articles. If lots of editors prefer a different structure than WP:MILHIST, then this proposal has merit. However, there are lots of advantages of doing this through MILHIST, largely as a result of its large numbers of active participants and high performing A-class review process. MIHLIST has an existing (though largely defunct) British taskforce, and could easily accomodate a specialist project as Graeme notes above. Nick-D (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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