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[edit]06:13, 11 August 2024 review of submission by IamAnisurrahman
[edit]Please review the concern article for verification, multiple issue are fixed. IamAnisurrahman (talk) 06:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Rejection typically means that the draft will not be considered further. If you have fundamentally changed the draft and addressed the concerns of reviewers, please first appeal to the last reviewer.
- Very curious how you came to edit about that draft. 331dot (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
09:31, 11 August 2024 review of submission by Dashingdumps
[edit]- Dashingdumps (talk · contribs)
Hi,What can I do for this.Help me I will try my best to make it according to Wikipedia policies. Dashingdumps (talk) 09:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dashingdumps: why don't you just give up? This will not happen. Find something worthwhile to do with your time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
11:34, 11 August 2024 review of submission by Priya.ve
[edit]Help ume understand better on what is lacking in the page. Priya.ve (talk) 11:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- The reviewer left you a message on your draft as to what is missing. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
13:20, 11 August 2024 review of submission by 2600:1700:3177:B010:58E5:5136:E1AD:A327
[edit]Why can't they can publish 2600:1700:3177:B010:58E5:5136:E1AD:A327 (talk) 13:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because it has essentially no content, because almost nothing has yet been published on the subject. Wait until it has been written about (which probably means waiting until it happens). Wikipedia is not a crystal ball ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
23:17, 11 August 2024 review of submission by Bushido77
[edit]I would like suggestions on where to find verifiable citation sources. I did a great deal of research for this article and am at a loss to know where to look for acceptable citations. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Also, when I compare this article with one from Robert Heisner's instructor, Park Jong Soo, it seems far more robust. In fact, I added Park Jong Soo's filmography to the Wikipedia page about him.
Sorry, I am not sure what this article is lacking.
Thank you for your help. Bushido77 (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed your link, you lacked the "Draft:" portion. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Bushido77 You declared a conflict of interest, what is the general nature of it?
- You claim that the image of Heisner is your own personal work, meaning that you took it with your camera. Is that the case?
- The reviewer left you a detailed message at the top of the draft. Please see other stuff exists. Drafts are judged on their own merits, not based on the presence of other articles that themselves may be inappropriate. 331dot (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Question 1 - you asked "You declared a conflict of interest, what is the general nature of it?"
- Answer 1 - I was one of his longest training students (40+ years) and co-authored the book detailing the history of our system.
- Question 2 - you asked "You claim that the image of Heisner is your own personal work, meaning that you took it with your camera. Is that the case?"
- Answer 2 - No, I did not take the photo with my camera. It was used in copyrighted work that we worked on together. I can replace it with a photo I took, if that is necessary. I apologize, I thought if it was in the materials of our system, we could use it.
- Question 3 - you asked "The reviewer left you a detailed message at the top of the draft..."
- Answer 3 - the initial comment, for example, says I could use "Family Search" if I cite a specific record with lists Heisner's parents. I do not know where else to look for that information. Is there a source that supplies that type of data?
- Mr. Heisner had a massive impact on many people around the world, directly or indirectly. I do believe this article is appropriate for Wikipedia, but this is my first article submission and I am not sure how to find everything to make it acceptable.
- Thank you for your time and assistance. Bushido77 (talk) 23:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- If you personally did not take the photo, you must immediately request its deletion from Commons, or show that the copyright holder(who is almost always the photographer, not the subject) has released the image for it ro be used by anyone for any purpose with attribution.
- You may upload a photo you take yourself, but photos are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Photos can wait until the draft is accepted. 331dot (talk) 00:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I have changed the photo to one that I took myself. All other photos either I or Mr. Heisner took ourselves and are included in the book which I have the copyrights to. I will try to find the "Commons" and see if I can figure out how to delete that photo. (Where are the "commons?") Bushido77 (talk) 00:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure I had that photo removed. Thanks. Bushido77 (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I have changed the photo to one that I took myself. All other photos either I or Mr. Heisner took ourselves and are included in the book which I have the copyrights to. I will try to find the "Commons" and see if I can figure out how to delete that photo. (Where are the "commons?") Bushido77 (talk) 00:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Bushido77, one major problem with a conflict of interest is that it becomes difficult to write the draft without using your own knowledge of the subject - articles here on Wikipedia must contain only information verified by reliable sources, which must be independent from their subject (with a few personal information exceptions, such as a subject's birth date, the names of their children, etc). There's a lot of information about which sources are reliable, but I find WP:42, our 'golden rule', to be a great place to start. That page tells us that you need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Part of the second criteria, reliable sources, requires the source to have editorial oversight (for example, not a blog) and come from a reputable publisher (some places will publish anything if they're paid, so they are not reliable).
- Your first issue, therefore, is that you can't use anything Heisner has written, said, etc, as a source that establishes his notability, and you can't use anything connected to him. That immediately renders every link to Project Future Center useless for notability purposes, along with the book he wrote, and indeed any other site/organization connected to him. What you need are books, articles, or other sources that are completely independent of him but discuss him and his life and work. It doesn't need to be the whole book/article/source - a chapter would do, for example - but he needs to be the main subject of that piece.
- I hope this information is helpful to you; please feel free to ask any further questions you have, and either I or someone else will pop by to answer them. Best of luck in your source search, and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the feedback. I am re-writing the article using Grammarly with academic and formal settings, in an effort to make it more "encyclopedic." I am finding many newspaper articles about Mr. Heisner and I will try to incorporate them into the article.
- Things like the Toronto Yellow Page advertisements from Master Park Jong Soo, which name Bob Heisner as one of his second degree black belts would be a "reliable" source, correct? Bushido77 (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly a reliable source, but not an independent one, which is just as critical. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I am trying hard to do the best I can. I will keep working on it. Bushido77 (talk) 22:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly a reliable source, but not an independent one, which is just as critical. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
23:40, 11 August 2024 review of submission by Googoo85
[edit]Why was my article declined? Googoo85 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Googoo85 I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended. You have no sources at all. Please see your first article, Referencing for beginners, as well as WP:NOTNEWS. 331dot (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
23:41, 11 August 2024 review of submission by Rem2024
[edit]Hello, I had made this submission more than 3 months ago and I was hoping to get some feedback. I have provided best three sources at the talk page Draft talk:Vahdam India. Please help, thank you! Rem2024 (talk) 23:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Rem2024 As noted on your draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,598 pending submissions waiting for review." Please continue to be patient. 331dot (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)