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Template:MIAA Division IA Baseball Tournament navbox

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MIAA Division IA Baseball Tournament navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with just 1 link. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

delete, standard linking works fine here, no need for a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Super Eight Most Valuable Player

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Super Eight Most Valuable Player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template with no links but to the subject itself. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

delete, standard linking works fine here, no need for a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Query web archive

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Query web archive (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template has reached the end of its service life and its continued use has become problematic. – Allen4names (contributions) 21:18, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Allen4names is the original template author in 2011. It's been used in 650 main and non-main pages, somewhere around 350 mainspace. I understand the idea behind it and believe there is still a possibility in non-template form, but don't believe a template is the right solution for a number of reasons. It's the same problem we ran into with other multiple-site services: mapping services and book sources. A page like that for archival services might work because there are dozens of archiving services. Inline templates in mainspace should link to a source that a human has checked and verified contains accurate information for the cited link. In addition the archive page should be dated because archive pages change over time, the template currently does not support or display an archival date. -- GreenC 22:16, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further discussion is needed to determine what we're going to do with the existing transclusions, especially those in the mainspace. Merge? Substitution? Orphaning? Manual review?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 03:34, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator note Pinging Allen4names and Green Cardamom to the above relist comment. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 03:35, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I was expecting removal followed by deletion of the template. – Allen4names (contributions) 03:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I find the justification obscure. The template talk page doesn't offer any clarity. Bit rot is a joke because bits don't have a service life. "Problematic": what actually is the problem? Is it just that it's a link to a search and there's no guarantee that any of the searches will turn up anything? If nothing else, it seems a useful stopgap for dead links, and it would be easy to automatically flag instances that have lived too long. (You just have to teach the existing bots to add a date to the template.) 71.41.210.146 (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If this template is to be kept some modifications will need to be made (note Green C's comments above). If could easily contain more than ten links without some sort of control such as the parser function {{#switch}}. It would also be necessary to check the URL value so the template would display an error message if it creates a nested link (ie. a Wayback Machine URL https://web.archive.org/web/20100526120000/https://www.wikipedia.org/ in the url parameter). Green C may be able to explain better what changes would need to be made. Regards. – Allen4names (contributions) 18:27, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not very good for link rot because there is no archive date specified. We have an excellent full-time link rot bot now, IABot, so the need for this solution doesn't make much sense anymore and it might actually cause interaction problems. We have {{webarchive}} should someone want to add multiple different archive services. Also in practice many editors use the template without checking if the archive is available so it ends up often displaying broken links, and it's limited to a few archives when there are dozens of archives available. A general solution similar to book sources in helping editors find an archive, would be a good idea. -- GreenC 19:17, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 05:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

replace with {{Webarchive}}. Frietjes (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Allen4names and I talked about this possibility before coming to TfD (to do a TfM instead) and it didn't make sense because there are no direct links to an archive, rather links to an index page at multiple archives. Also the way this template is often used .. the way it renders on the page .. may not be a good replacement for {{webarchive}}. In the first case it's almost like a navigation aid, the second case it's more designed to be used in external link sections (or in citations). -- GreenC 16:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement of {{Query web archive}} with {{Webarchive}} should only be done under the conditions it would be done anyway ie. where there is link rot and a citation template is not being used. In other cases it is as Green C. has already explained. – Allen4names (contributions) 17:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Western Pacific Railroad lines

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The result of the discussion was delete, can be restored if/when it's actually needed. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Western Pacific Railroad lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

...so far, but will be when articles are completed. In the meantime it helps with editing. An Errant Knight (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That template really ought to name its actual lines, as opposed to services. Mackensen (talk) 13:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 03:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 05:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:SGPC/meta/color

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SGPC/meta/color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template was only used in a single place, Jathedar of Akal Takht and unlikely to be used elsewhere. I've replaced the template use in the article with the color it represents, so there's no more use for it. Fabrictramp | talk to me 02:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I have no objections regarding the deletion. Peeta Singh (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Sarbat Khalsa/meta/color

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sarbat Khalsa/meta/color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template was only used in a single place, Jathedar of Akal Takht and unlikely to be used elsewhere. I've replaced the template use in the article with the color it represents, so there's no more use for it. Fabrictramp | talk to me 02:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I have no objections regarding the deletion. Peeta Singh (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Swatch legend

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Swatch legend (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused template along with Wikipedia:Database reports/Unused templates/7 Marvellous Spider-Man 02:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:African topic

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template:African topic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Duplicate with {{Africa topic}}, I see no need to merge. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 01:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Please actually hover over the links before nominating or !voting. This template is not a duplicate of {{Africa topic}}. Each of the links is a demonym, not the country name. Of course, it's badly created and most of the links go to disambuguation pages. But someone could clean it up and perhaps target the links to actual articles (on the peoples, or on the languages, or whatever). Softlavender (talk) 08:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
keep, not a duplicate. Frietjes (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
keep, has potential for wider use.14GTR (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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