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The result of the discussion was delete after replacement, as originally suggested by Frietjes. If there is a fundamental problem with two infoboxes, then feel free to try to merge them. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Neath Port Talbot electoral ward (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox UK ward}}. Only 39 transclusions. (Deletion may render Category:Wales subdivision infobox templates redundant.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the discussion was delete after replacement Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:52, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox swansea electoral ward (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox UK ward}}. Only 36 transclusions. (Deletion may render Category:Wales subdivision infobox templates redundant.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the discussion was rewrite as a wrapper for {{infobox constituency}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Ghana constituency (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

236 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox settlement}} or {{infobox constituency}}, for which it should be a wrapper, if not deleted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Spa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is being used to bite newcomers that have little or no edits when they comment in the discussion. users should give anon users the benefit of the doubt rather then tell everyone their comments have not edited outside the discussion.. 209.88.130.87 (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Its use needs to be carefully considered, especially when adding it to comments from IP users (who may have dynamically moved to a new IP address that happens to have never edited here before). I don't really think it should be deleted, though; instead, users should be informed that they are misusing the template. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:01, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep. The template serves a useful purpose, and is used correctly in at least some cases. Just because a template is being misused is no more reason to delete it than to ban cars because some are used in bank robberies. Thryduulf (talk) 02:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, though perhaps it would be a good idea to have a rule that when used against IP contributors, there must be substantial reason to beleive they're a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet, as opposed to just not having edited much before: If a new account's first edit is to an XfD, you can be fairly sure that they're an SPA; but if an IP's "first" edit is to an XfD, it might just mean that some user is editing from a friend's house, or that they have a dynamic IP, or that they've changed ISPs. We see that stuff all the time, like when an IP with only a handful of edits drops by at ANI or VPP to make some very sound point - it just means that their editing experience comes from some other address, not that they have any sinister intentions. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 08:51, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. It is already automatically replaced with {{ArticleHistory}} after being removed from the Nominations list, and it's required for the GA process. Vacation9 19:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Actually used on very few pages (Transclusions) and a redundant copy of {{ArticleHistory}}. It makes it more complex for bots to parse GAs as well as it doesn't provide as much detail usually as ArticleHistory. It has no real use, and just makes for more complex bot parsing. Vacation9 19:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Maybe free media (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, this started out as NFUR not needed, which was characterised as a 'drive by' tag, rather than one that helped an issue get fixed So I am starting this deletion thread to get a consensus on need if any for this template? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Restore {{NFUR not needed}} (i.e. revert the nominator's edits to the template, restoring it to its 2012 state), redirect {{maybe free media}} to {{wrong licence}}. The templates obviously serve different purposes, so it is unclear why they were at some point merged. {{NFUR not needed}} means that it has been demonstrated that a file is free but that it nevertheless has a fair use rationale. {{Maybe free media}} means that it is unclear if the file is free (e.g. a photo from 1920 without information on whether it was published before 1923) which needs additional information from other sources to determine the copyright status. {{Maybe free media}} thus seems to serve the same purpose as {{wrong licence}}. The template might be unused for the moment, but this is only because the nominator has removed it from every page on which it was used (and in the process replaced lots of fair use rationales with {{information}}). The template is added to new files several times a week. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reword. We need only one template that says this. However, we also need a good reminder for placement on files that could benefit from more research. It's not something that needs to be fixed or that indicates a need for fixing — I mean something that would be useful because it says "We're using this under a claim of fair use, but we might not need to make that claim, because it might actually be in the public domain." Nyttend (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well the issue is one of having a separation between, 'wrong-license' (as in there is free license shown, but the media doesn't qualify) and 'wrong licence' (as in it is free but the license would suggest otherwise). 22:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Withdrawn, I'm in the process of rewording this. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Notable Akamba (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template seems to be attempting to do the job of a category or a list. Unlike those, it is not easily maintainable. As was argued at the similar Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_28#Template:Notable_Joluo, converting this to a list or category would eliminate issues with sourcing. Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete, better served by a category. Frietjes (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 11:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Talkback (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Interwiki_talkback (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Whisperback (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Talkbacktiny (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Proposal to Delete: This template has been nominated for deletion twice here and here both ending as keeps. This template does get allot of use but what is the real point of it? Of course, it is to say you have replied to a message! But if you have to do this (because for some reason the person that posted on your talk page isn't waiting for a reply), why use a template? Why not write a lovely little message that would do exactly the same job without having this massive blue box appear everywhere.. ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 10:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to Subst: Another bit of food for thought, if you think this template should stay then why is it not substed when added to a talk page? Pretty much every other template that gets dumped on a user talk page (mainly warnings and welcomes) is substed, why is talkback an exception? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 10:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Withdrawn (I can see where this is going) I will move the subst discussion to the templates talk page. ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 11:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. 1st Nomination (2007_September_14)
  2. 2nd Nomination (2008_April_17)
  • To answer your questions:
  1. Templates are designed for one thing: to save typing. Why not 'write a lovely little message'? Because using the template saves typing and time.
  2. The reason it is not substed is to allow the recipient to easily remove the template once the message is received. This was a conscious design decision because it is intended not to clutter the user's talk page with a jumble of code.
Other then that, I fail to see any rationale for deletion on your part. Therefor keep. Edokter (talk) — 10:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding substing, there are currently 43,000 page updates added to the job queue each time the template is edited (hence my query about substing) would it be an idea for a bot to subst old instances of the template, when the user has no plan to remove it? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 10:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WQA-notice (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:WQA has been marked as historical since September, per this discussion. I can cross-post to WT:Twinkle, if needed, to get this off of the "ARV" tab before it's deleted, though it really should've been removed from the module months ago, as you can't very well notify someone of a discussion at a defunct noticeboard. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Procedurally Closed (and thus kept by default) as out-of-process; WP:Miscellany for deletion is the correct venue. [This is a non-admin closure.]SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖכþ Contrib. 13:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant warning. Only used on 10 articles, creates a redlinked category. Also goes against policy — COI editing is not inherently bad, so not everyone with a COI absolutely has to go through this rigamarole. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 00:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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