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The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 14:10, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Joint (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

we don't need a template for this. Frietjes (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was deleted per Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 March 4#Template:Img Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Img (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

common problem when citations are copied from FR wikipedia where fr:Template:img does something different. Frietjes (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Imageinfo (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Image hook (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Image hook start (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Image hook end (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 20:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Image thumb label begin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old and unused. Frietjes (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IBI (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Test page. WOSlinker (talk) 14:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:HTT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old template test used for testing methods for getting around EL spam filters, using a template for the htt in http. Frietjes (talk) 20:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete after substitution Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:HRM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

used to be a flag template, like {{NS}}, but since the image was removed is now somewhat pointless and could just be substituted and deleted. Frietjes (talk) 20:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:HIchar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:ZHchar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

basically redundant to {{resize}}. the stated use is for using in Swadesh lists, in which case, we should just role this into one of the Swadesh list templates. Frietjes (talk) 19:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Help-meta (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Group (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Logoicon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group alias US Air Force (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group alias US Army (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group alias US Coast Guard (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group alias US Marine Corps (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group alias US Navy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logo alias US Air Force (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logo alias US Army (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logo alias US Coast Guard (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logo alias US Marine Corps (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logo alias US Navy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Group logoicon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

now unused, after replacement on a single group of portal pages. if need, couple probably replaced by {{navy}} and others. confusing since we have {{group navbox}}. Frietjes (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Greyout (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:54, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Goals-A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

redundant to {{green|''...''}}. Frietjes (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. What harm does this template's existence cause? It's used on talk pages as a matter of personal preference (not in articles), so consistency isn't an issue.
    The "gi" name stands for "green italic". You've asserted that the template is redundant to {{green}} with italic formatting manually added. By that logic, {{green}} is redundant to <span style="color:green">...</span>.
    The purpose of templates is to take the place of longer or more complicated constructs, thereby increasing convenience and reducing the likelihood of error. Your proposed alternative entails typing twice as many characters (fourteen instead of seven) every time the template is used (often repeatedly in a given message). How would this benefit the community?
    For years, I did use raw code (which I assigned to keyboard shortcuts) for the quotation of talk page messages. I created this template for the benefit of editors who disliked the resultant clutter. I was reluctant to make the switch, and you've just illustrated the exact reason why: a concern that someone would deem the template "redundant" to one with different formatting and seek to delete it (without even notifying me or including an edit summary when inserting the TfD tag, as it turns out), thereby breaking my talk page messages (and those of other editors who like the template and have begun using it). —David Levy 20:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    you could use {{gn|''...''}} if you want to save two characters. no talk pages would be "broken" if this is deleted, since a bot would update the transclusions. also, I didn't see "green italic" in the list of abbreviations GI, which is confusing since it is the ISO code for Gibraltar. Frietjes (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    you could use {{gn|''...''}} if you want to save two characters.
    Again, how would forcing editors to manually add the italic formatting benefit the community? What harm is this template's existence causing?
    no talk pages would be "broken" if this is deleted, since a bot would update the transclusions.
    That's supposed to occur, but I've seen archived messages (some of them mine) containing broken transclusions that no one ever bothered to update.
    On a related note, why are you nominating templates for deletion without notifying their creators and major contributors or typing edit summaries when inserting the TfD tags?
    also, I didn't see "green italic" in the list of abbreviations GI, which is confusing since it is the ISO code for Gibraltar.
    Seriously? Are you suggesting that we aren't permitted to use abbreviations — outside the article namespace — that lack recognition in the real world? Are you suggesting that this template's name is "confusing" people because "GI" has other meanings? Should we be concerned that people might confuse {{tfd}} with Thin Film Diode?
    And if the name were problematic, that would justify renaming, not deletion. Do you want to move the template to {{green italic}} (with {{gi}} as a redirect)? That would be fine. —David Levy 20:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – After reading the above conversation, I am of the opinion that there is not a pressing reason that this template must be deleted. Additionally, there is a is an impassioned editor with a rationale to keep that seems to trump the "redundant to {{green}}" argument. As to the redirect proposal, I have no opinion. Senator2029 (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zero semantic value, and presentationally redundant to {{green}} with wikitalics. We should be trying to get people not to add semantically-empty markup to their comments, rather than encouraging the creation of new minor forks to suit everyone's personal aesthetic preferences. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    If this template is "presentationally redundant to {{green}} with wikitalics", please explain how {{green}} isn't presentationally redundant to the raw code contained therein. Anything can be done without a template. Why do you want to force people to type additional characters over and over (thereby increasing both difficulty and the likelihood of error)? How would the community benefit?
    You've criticised "forks to suit everyone's personal aesthetic preferences", but you haven't explained what harm this template is causing. It isn't used in the article namespace (where consistency is important). It's used on talk pages. If editor x and editor y prefer different text quotation styles, that's fine.
    What do you mean by "zero semantic value"? When quoting others' messages, I use this template to set them apart from my replies (example above). How is this distinction "semantically-empty"? —David Levy 19:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    {{green}} has existed in its current form for over five years and its existence is consistent with {{red}}, {{yellow}} and other basic colour templates. Were it to disappear now, we could expect a moderate degree of disruption as editors attempted to use it and found it no longer to exist. As for what harm it causes, arbitrary inconsistency makes things harder to read, always. That is why we try to be consistent on articles. For the sake of allowing people some sense of self-expression, we permit a limited degree of personalisation of discourse outside of articlespace (for instance, signature style), but that is not intended to give people carte blanche to style the rest of their input however they please. What we really should do is get Mediawiki to support <q> for inline quoting: that would give everyone the advantage of more distinct quoting, in a semantically useful way. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    {{green}} has existed in its current form for over five years and its existence is consistent with {{red}}, {{yellow}} and other basic colour templates. Were it to disappear now, we could expect a moderate degree of disruption as editors attempted to use it and found it no longer to exist.
    Of course. And why are those templates considered useful? Because they take the place of code that's longer and more difficult to type. Five years ago, we didn't deem {{green}} "redundant" to <span style="color:green">...</span> and delete it.
    As for what harm it causes, arbitrary inconsistency makes things harder to read, always. That is why we try to be consistent on articles.
    Conversely, this template is used in a context in which we have no consistent style from which to arbitrarily deviate.
    For the sake of allowing people some sense of self-expression, we permit a limited degree of personalisation of discourse outside of articlespace (for instance, signature style), but that is not intended to give people carte blanche to style the rest of their input however they please.
    Agreed. But this template isn't used for frivolous decoration; it's used for differentiation between quoted text and responses thereto, which makes messages easier to read and understand. The community hasn't codified a format for this purpose, so it's been left to editors' discretion.
    For years, I've used this exact styling. Some users recently complained about the raw code's clutter, so earlier this month, I created a template to take its place. Since then, everything's been fine (with a couple of editors even commenting that they like the template and adopting it for their own use). But now it's been nominated for deletion, with the argument that editors should instead be told to use {{green}} and italicize the text manually. Because apparently, forcing people to type twice as many characters to achieve the same output (assuming that no errors occur) will somehow benefit the community.
    What we really should do is get Mediawiki to support <q> for inline quoting: that would give everyone the advantage of more distinct quoting, in a semantically useful way.
    That seems like a sensible idea. In the meantime, we need to make do with what we have. —David Levy 11:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Understood. In the long run, though, I want Category:Quotation templates to get shorter. A lot shorter. And that includes use outside of articles. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep May not be the most useful template on Wikipedia, but I haven't seen a good reason why it needs to be deleted. It's not like Wikipedia is running out of space; I don't see the problem with it. -- tariqabjotu 20:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was merge with either {{infobox spacecraft}} or {{Infobox cargo spacecraft}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox berthing cargo spacecraft (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use and redundant to {{Infobox spacecraft}}, to which any necessary parameters should be added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:51, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Good Girl Gone Bad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant of Template:Rihanna singles. | helpdןǝɥ | 17:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Broken bar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not used anywhere A:-)Brunuś (talk) 14:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bangkok BRT lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Bangkok BRT color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Bangkok BRT stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Bangkok BRT style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete - Unused, and unlikely to be needed in the foreseeable future since the Bangkok BRT has only one line and expansion plans have been halted. Paul_012 (talk) 13:49, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:S-line/Bangkok BRT right/Chong Nonsi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete - Unused with almost no potential to be, since individual stations of the Bangkok BRT are unlikely to be deemed notable enough to warrant articles. Paul_012 (talk) 13:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lightbulb is unscrewed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template (with no content). SummerPhD (talk) 13:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:43, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Calgary Vipers roster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Team has gone defunct, no current or future use for template. Resolute 02:56, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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