Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 21
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Hoka Hoka Bento
I was going to create this article about this notable Indonesian fast food chain, but see it has been deleted previously. Please restore so I can salvage anything useful from it. Thanks -Sumbuddi (talk) 16:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Jemima's Witnesses
Originally the article was deleted for the reason's of: "Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc.", "G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible." As a follower of Jemima's Witnesses I was sad to see the page deleted, however, at the time we did not have any significant argument to keep the page. At the time of the article deletion, we were just getting off the ground with our religion. We had not yet established our website. Now, I feel that we should get the chance to re-submit an article that explains our religion. It is what we believe, and we feel it should not be left out of the encyclopedia simply because we are not a large or mainstream religion. I appreciate you time. Here is our website: https://sites.google.com/site/jemimaspeople/ -GeshmanWG (talk) 16:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, do you have something to indicate the importance of your joke website? That would be a mention in a news source or something of that kind.Sumbuddi (talk) 16:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done and will not be done It has been deleted three times - there is nothing to indicate that this organisation meets the criteria for inclusion, and nothing is to be found at reliable independent sources. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Numispedea
I am the owner of the site scoinsandbullion and the author and creator of Numispedea -Sigrar (talk) 17:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 16:42, 7 October 2010 Syrthiss (talk | contribs) deleted "User:Sigrar" (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: protected area at http://www.scoinsandbullion.com/)
I cannot breach copyrights that belong to me! Numispedea is an informative reference which will be added to!
- The deletion decision was made because the site is a direct copy of scoinsandbullion.com, which includes the following copyright statement: "Copyright © 2010 Signature Coins & Bullion is a trading name of Signature Rarities Ltd. All Rights Reserved." We cannot accept copyrighted text. If you are the owner of the site in question, you may release the material by changing the copyright on your page, since we can only accept text released to the public domain (basically). Protonk (talk) 17:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
That section you quote is common to the whole site as a Joomla sub frame and the site does indeed contain righted material which we cannot/will not release as it is part of our research base and monthly "Moneta' publication. As you can see It's a very large site so we can't do a blanket removal without either having to undertake major changes to the site, or releasing the whole thing.
I suggest that I put a legal notice of release on the wikipedea page together with my name and qualifying authority: Would that suffice?
- A few options exist, assuming that the content you add meets our baseline threshold for inclusion. First you may add individual copyright notices to the pages you want to bring over indicating that the content on those pages has been released into some PD-like license (Creative Commons CC-BY-SA licenses should be fine). Second, you could email WP:OTRS indicating which sites you want to release into the public domain. Adding a notice to the wikipedia page itself won't do much, because nobody can prove that you are the owner of the content just from your wikipedia account. What do you actually plan to do with the content? Protonk (talk) 18:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The content would be Numismatic terms together with some reference images of what certain terms pertain to in order to provide a clear and, to an extent, visual explanation of those terms. This should provide a useful resource for anyone interested in the field. It will also provide details of items in respect of historical origins and purpose. It will not be a dictionary or a means of promotion.
Quite happy to place a copyright release on the relevant page in question and make that page public!
- Great. Let me know when you have done so and I'll undelete the page. Swing by Wikipedia:Your first article and take a look at some simple explanations of how to make a good new wikipedia article. Protonk (talk) 18:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Done! Please see shortcut - http://signaturerarities.titanwebdevelopment.com/en/numispedia.html Also release text given at the base of the page. Thanks for guidance I will try to produce something really interesting and useful!
- That's good enough for me. You might also want to look at the CC license if you want a more articulated statement about what rights you reserve and don't reserve. I'll restore the user draft page. Protonk (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your invaluable help!.................... I've looked at the CC license and added that on the Numispedia page. Cheers!
- Small point. In order to release something to wikipedia, you need to permit commercial re-use of the content (so the CC-BY-SA license, not the CC-NC variants). There are a few different versions of the creative commons licenses (and dozens of "copyleft" licenses in general), sorry for the confusion. Protonk (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
No probs I will deal with it!
ingalls shipbuilding
Greetings to whomever,
Last week I spent some time researching and updating the "Ingall Shipbuilding" file. I did this from other Wikipedia pages and links. All data is verifiable. I tried to add this comment in the sources section but was unable to. It is very disappointing to see that all of that work has been for naught. I live near this great shipyard and wanted to contribute to the historic records. This was my first, and perhaps last, attempt to contribute. It would mean a lot to see those additions restored to the page.
Thank you Les Osborne
- Hi. It looks like you added content to a page and another editor reverted those additions because s/he felt that they were unreferenced. You can see the old revisions in the history tab on Ingalls Shipbuilding. This board is for restoration of content which has been deleted by an administrator. If you want to discuss the article itself, simply navigate to the talk page and start a new section there just as you have done here. Alternately, you can go to the user talk page of the editor who reverted the additions, but I find people have better luck starting on the talk page. Protonk (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hoka Hoka Bento redux
This was already undeleted (see above), but I think it was undeleted with the prod tag left in and somebody then deleted it again before I could get to it. -Sumbuddi (talk) 22:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Got it and removed the PROD tag. Protonk (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Syllabotactics
A few days ago I was reading a book on phonology where there was a reference to a newly developed fascinating theory called “Syllabotactics”. I managed to find a number of good articles and researches where this theory is discussed in depth. In search for more info I googled the term syllabotactics and it returned over 200 results some of which referred to Wikipedia. And then I was indeed shocked and disappointed to see that you have deleted this article. I went through the comments made in favour of the deletion and I found them absolutely absurd, clearly made by people who don’t have no knowledge of phonology. It is indeed regretful to notice that Wikipedia allows deletion of this kind of valuable articles on the basis of few absurd comments. May I ask you to undelete this article immediately or at least refer it to some academic phonologists to make a sound judgment about that. I created this account to say how disappointed I am with the way Wikipedia operates. -Satfan (talk) 22:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hi, as you noted, this article was deleted by a community deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syllabotactics. Regardless of your or my feelings about the discussion, I can't overturn it unilaterally. I will be happy to email you the contents of the article (or the whole history, in which case you need to email me first as it will be a .xml attachment), but if you want the article deletion reversed you will have to make an appeal at deletion review. If you like I can help you with that process. Protonk (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
What Men Know that Women Don't
reasoning -Lew Loot (talk) 09:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
This is a request to have said page userfied.
Thank you.
- It has not been deleted yet - however, based on your request, I will userfy it at User:Lew Loot/What Men Know that Women Don't and close the associated AFD as "Other". Please understand that the draft article cannot remain there forever - either improve it, or request deletion (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Fire Twelve
famous boyband in malaysia(not a hoax) -118.100.47.15 (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - As announced prominently at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fire Twelve, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Cirt (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. Let me just add, that only one comment mentioned a possible hoax, the others did not find them being famous sufficiently documented. --Tikiwont (talk) 11:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Polish American Librarians Association (PALA)
- Polish American Librarians Association (PALA) · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
- see also: User:Palalib/Polish American Librarians Association (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I am new to Wikipedia and I am sorry if I posted the website inappropriately, every day I am learning something new. I am willing to learn the rules, but I see that deleting process is common, and in my opinion drastic. I hope that Wikipedia Polish American Librarians Association (PALA) could exist on Wikipedia with the same purpose as the American Library Association page. Polish American Librarians Association (PALA) is a non profit organization created to help people and the community, not a personal business advertisement. I would like to be able restore the website, and I hope it is possible, because I spend a lot of time learning the Wikipedia code features. I'm doing this voluntarily for PALA. Thank you. -palaib 17:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Palalib (talk • contribs) 17:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hi. The article was deleted as a promotional page, which does not distinguish between for profit organizations and not for profit concerns. Rather it is concerned with stylistic issues and potential for expansion into a neutral article suitable for a general encyclopedia. A red flag for article reviewers and administrators is a section like "vision" or "mission statement", which are planks important to organizations but not terribly important (or appropriate) for an encyclopedia. I'm not 100% sure I agree with the original deletion, but as you can see from the top of this page, I can't unilaterally overturn it. I will do a few things for you. First I will contact the deleting admin and invite them to comment on this section--if we can reach some agreement they can undelete the content and you can go back to improving the page. Second, I can email you the content of the article (or move a copy of it into your userspace where you can edit it. In return I would like to ask you to do a few things. First, please read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations, a short page which will hopefully answer some questions about our policies on organizational articles and edits made 'on behalf' of organizations. Second, it would be very helpful for the article as well as any discussion of the deletion to gather up any news coverage from reliable sources on the subject. Has the PALA been the subject of any detailed news coverage? Any journal articles, etc. The American Library Association has a wikipedia page not because they are a library organization but because they are otherwise covered in detail by multiple secondary sources. I apologize that you were introduced rather brusquely to Wikipedia's deletion policies and I hope I can help. Protonk (talk) 18:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Protonk that it might be appropriate to work on improving a copy of the article in userspace, and it may certainly be undeleted and moved to userspace for that purpose, but in the form in which it existed as an article (before {{db-g11}} deletion as tagged by LibStar) it was indeed unabashed self-description and self-promotion. – Athaenara ✉ 22:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Jonathan Aldridge
Subject has reliable sources and is notable
The debate on the Jonathan Aldridge had little participation other than the nominator. The article was improved with reliable sources; unfortunately, the nominator continuously sabotaged the article by deleting the updates and meddling with the debate. The subject is more notable than many other subjects currently on Wikipedia. Please undelete. Thank you. -97.104.1.73 (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - As announced prominently at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Aldridge, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Cirt (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. I'd hardly call the nominator and three other delete !votes little participation. — ξxplicit 18:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Wolfgang Santner
no source provided -Sirdan85 (talk) 20:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Here are the sources to back it up:
http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm2744091/
http://freemoviereleasesonline.info/2002/friedensflotte-mirno-more-2002-tv/
http://www.cr-communications.com/movies.html
http://www.grazetta.at/ausgabe/archiv/0208.pdf
http://www.pagegangster.com/p/u8qRl/26/
www.richprosecco.ru/download/images/PT_Fotoshooting_E.doc
Not done - this page was deleted in accordance with criterion for speedy deletion G11. If you believe that this decision was found in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, please contact the administrator who implemented the deletion request, user Airplaneman (talk · contribs). If you have already done so, your concerns can be taken to deletion review. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Yevgeny Grigoryevich Martynov
The Russian Wikipedia article on this musician ru:Мартынов, Евгений Григорьевич is substantial and will help to demonstrate notability. -Fayenatic (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - this page was deleted in accordance with criterion for speedy deletion A7. If you believe that this decision was found in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, please contact the administrator who implemented the deletion request, user Gogo Dodo (talk · contribs). If you have already done so, your concerns can be taken to deletion review. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
list of books about risk
no reasoning provided -77.27.114.122 (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Done. Restored as a contested proposed deletion. Protonk (talk) 23:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Togakure-ryu
quest for knowledge / no good reason to delete in the first place -69.113.160.156 (talk) 06:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request.The page is actually at Togakure-ryū, the rest are redirects.--Tikiwont (talk) 09:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
File:A town where you live flash cover.JPG
The image is used on A Town Where You Live. On 20 July 2010, A Town Where You Live was incorrectly changed to a redirect. As a result, File:A town where you live flash cover.JPG was no longer used and deleted. The article has now been brought back in its previous state and needs its picture back. -—UncleDouggie (talk) 06:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Boy Banned
The article was marked for speedy deletion because it concerns a music band. The admin who marked the page for deletion stated that the significance of the band was not made clear. However the significance of the band is that it was signed by Eurocreme, a major gay pornographic producer, which marked an important change of direction brought on by video piracy. That significance was made clear in the article and the references. -Gayblogger (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - this page was deleted in accordance with criterion for speedy deletion A7 and in general we do not simply undo unilaterally such decisions with this process here. If you believe that this decision was found in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, please contact the administrator who implemented the deletion request, user Hersfold (talk · contribs). If you have already done so, your concerns can be taken to deletion review.- Alternativley, I could userfy it for further improvement. --Tikiwont (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sima Yari
since she is one of the best known poets in Iran's recent poetry, and she has published four books,three of them have been published by Iran's best publisher; "Karnameh publishing inst." On the cover of her third book,some of the best of Iran's critic experts and university professors( such as Dr.Taghi Pournamdarian,full time professor in the university of Tehran,and Dr.Atefeh Oliai,recent professor in the university of Wisconsin,have been praised her work,and her delicate new approach to the modern style she has created.Volumes of any of these books could be sent to your department if necessary. Also Dr.Ahmad Karimi-Hakkak,professor and director of Persian studies in the univertiy of Maryland,has refered to Sima Yari as one of the best icons of Iran's recent poetry in the wel-known encyclopedia of Britanca,in the year 2006.
We have no idea why,despite of all the facts mentioned above and many more,Sima's article has been removed from your site,maybe the person who has requested for the delition was uncapable of reading!! Due to all these strong facts we seriously recomend that the article about Sima Yari should be undeleted as soon as possible.Thanks for your concern. -89.165.15.228 (talk) 09:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - As announced prominently at the top of the page, this process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially and has no applicability to articles deleted after any deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sima Yari, it cannot be undeleted through this process. Nevertheless, if you believe that the consensus found at the discussion was in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Cirt (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. This article was userfied upon request, and thus far no changes have been made to it to address the concerns made at the deletion discussion. If the article is improved so that third party sources are added showing notability then it may be moved back to the mainspace in the future.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
GENERAL PICTURE RECOGNITION
reasoning -Gprsg (talk) 16:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
The article was being re-written to comply as much as possible with criteria.
- What did you plan to put there? The last revision only included the text "General Picture Recognition is all about the recognition of the whole picture." Protonk (talk) 17:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
File:Manno-logo.gif
Bitcoin. Just kidding, LOL! This is not my image, but it is needed for the article, I will fix and license appropriately -Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you!--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Peter Branka 2
The artist has made important, new contributions. Please open the article again and give us 10 days time to re-write the article in good quality and with in-depth coverage -58.40.203.195 (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- See also above Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Peter_Branka.--Tikiwont (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done The article had little content and has been deleted for apparently not meeting our guidelines for inclusion of articles concerning music. Neither of the two requests in this page actually addresses this. In any case the article is not locked or closed. Any registered account can start it, if time is needed for a good draft, this is better done in userspace. If you can't create an account, you may want to go to Articles for creation providing the sources upfront.--Tikiwont (talk) 13:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
File:Expo_75_Logo.jpg
Bitcoin. LOL that never gets old! This was not my image, I will fix licensing et.al. thanks as always -Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
La_Cumbre_Junior_High_School
From the G12 description "Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety; earlier versions without infringement should be retained." -44392e666b79c4673d6dcaf7cf774927 (talk) 16:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done. There was no earlier version that was not a copyright violation. JohnCD (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation
I did not post the article and would like to see it. I am director of communications for Fidelco. -69.183.157.50 (talk) 18:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- The text from the article is as follows:
- "Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation is the only guide dog school in New England, located in Bloomfield, CT. It was founded by Charlie and Roberta Kaman in 1960. Fidelco guide dogs are working all over the United States and in Canada. Fidelco is a 501(c)(3) and 509(a)(1) public charity. In 2010, Fidelco received its fourth, consecutive four star rating from Charity Navigator, the non-profit organization that helps donors make informed giving decisions. It is an accredited member of the International Guide Dog Federation. Fidelco has nearly 100 foster families which care for and socialize their guide dog puppies. Fidelco German Shepherds are pure-bred and are a sub-breed of German Shepherd Dogs. They are specifically bred for their health, temperament, and small size, as they make better working dogs. Fidelco's "Watch Me Grow" program connects classrooms with the work that service dogs do for society."
- Hope that helps. Protonk (talk) 22:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Category:Murdered Ivorian children
Useful category. I created it, but someone removed the cat from the (only) article in it, and it got speedied as being unpopulated after four days. -Christopher Connor (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm...hesitant to restore this category for a variety of reasons. Chief among them is a POV concern, but also I worry that we don't really have a need for a category this specific. Protonk (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- I can't say I see much POV issues. The article in the cat will be Murder of Victoria Climbié (eight years old), a case in England that saw the killers convicted of murder. There's a Category:Murdered children, divided by nationality of victims, some which only contain a few pages. Of course, the cat will initially probably contain only one page but more can be added when and if things happen. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article is not about a child, it is about a murder; so it wouldn't fall in the category anyway. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think this is a grey area. Many of these "death of" articles have bio cats like date of birth and date of death, eg Death of Ian Tomlinson. For these articles, there's debate over whether to have an event or a bio, see Talk:Murder of Emmett Till. Christopher Connor (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Still, if there's issues, no need to revive. It's hardly critical. Christopher Connor (talk) 02:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think this is a grey area. Many of these "death of" articles have bio cats like date of birth and date of death, eg Death of Ian Tomlinson. For these articles, there's debate over whether to have an event or a bio, see Talk:Murder of Emmett Till. Christopher Connor (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article is not about a child, it is about a murder; so it wouldn't fall in the category anyway. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I can't say I see much POV issues. The article in the cat will be Murder of Victoria Climbié (eight years old), a case in England that saw the killers convicted of murder. There's a Category:Murdered children, divided by nationality of victims, some which only contain a few pages. Of course, the cat will initially probably contain only one page but more can be added when and if things happen. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Puneet Ranjan
your reasoning for asking to undelete it -Christite123 (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Puneet Ranjan sometimes credited as Punit Ranjan is a Private Investor, Angel Investor from Mumbai India, Born on 15 February 1985 to a middle class family, he rose to prominence with his sheer hard work. He resides at Bandra, Mumbai
Not done - this page was deleted in accordance with criterion for speedy deletion A7. If you believe that this decision was found in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, please contact the administrator who implemented the deletion request. If you have already done so, your concerns can be taken to deletion review.. This was deleted by a number of admins as a biography which does not indicate the importance of the subject but I would be just as concerned about the promotional tone of the article. The whole content of the article is below:
- "Puneet Ranjan sometimes credited as Punit Ranjan is a Private Investor, Angel Investor from Mumbai. Born on 15 February 1985, he rose to prominence with his sheer hard work. He is an ardent follower of Shah Rukh khan. His success story is like a fairy tale to all its readers, Puneet Ranjan was born of poor parents but with perseverance and hard work he created a niche of himself and today he a prominent figure in the corporate world."
- I don't think I would suggest restoring the article. Protonk (talk) 22:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
- Certainly not ... WP:NOTDIRECTORY (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
FatalFear
This article is for one of the better known and ost succesful contemporary Korean Metal bands. They were th eonly band featured in Metal Hammer magazine and Powerplay magazine (both international magazines based in the UK) while also having supported numerous acts including the internationally famos band Arch Enemy.
There were accusations of advertising, but seeing as the band is not selling anything (outside of korea) and even hosts a non profit record label to help underground artists worldwide get their music heard -this is ridiculous. There were sources given, one being a scan from Metal Hammer (used with permission) http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:FatalFear-MetalHammer.jpg also another that has happened since the deletion being powerplay magazine http://www.powerplaymagazine.co.uk/underground/56-fatalfear.html
There were no grounds for deletion nor resonable explanation before or after the fact. I have contacted the deleter and he has said things along the lines of one person was editing the page, when many people have been, in fact editing the page.
It said The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FatalFear until a concensus is reached..however I can see no such consensus, only several people asking for it to stay/be undeleted.
It is possible this was either a singular attack on a band member due to: -1 his activism (recently speaking out for a person falsely accused of manslaughter, although acquitted -as the objectors on that forum went after the vocalist and posting details of his life, wherabouts and activity) -2 for his spiritual beliefs (tinots.moonfruit.com) or
-3 due to the band being Korean. As there are almost NO korean bands on Wiki, let alone rock/metal bands at all. So this is, if anything, all the more reason the article should stand.
In any case, there are no significant grounds for deletion and anyissues could have been edited freely.
For tyhe band, I just ask for "a chance to be heard" and referenced. This band (and many others in Korea) work incredibly hard against the odds, acceptable status quo and culture to produce this kind of music..which ironically embodies more korean culture than the mainstream pop music that is more derivative than original.
Thanks for your time. -Dreaded209 (talk) 05:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done As stated clearly at the top of this page, any article that went through an Article for Deletion discussion cannot be undeleted here. As this article was community-discussed here, you must go to deletion review to attempt a case at undeletion. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Geet (TV series)
I think Geet (TV series) should not be deleted because it gives the viewers a lot of information about the TV show which is necessary. -117.194.1.6 (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done The article has not yet been deleted. It is currently proposed for deletion as "No evidence of notability". You have 7 days from the time of PROD tagging to fix those issues, or else it risks being deleted. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Spurs Show
The article was deleted because of article A7 under ``speedy deletion." The show in question is corporate-sponsored and has a respectably sized audience (tracked through iTunes), and features Phil Cornwell who does have a Wikipedia profile. Recently the show had as its guest one of The Guardian's sports writers and has become a public forum for sports journalists and fans to reach a specific audience. I believe this meets the `claim to importance' clause in A7. -24.21.242.34 (talk) 09:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done as per the multiple entries above on this page (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Geet (TV Series)
Please don't delet the article Geet (TV Series) . According to me it is notable.I request the authorities please do not delet that article. Thank You.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.221.31 (talk • contribs)
- See the response two posts up. You're in the wrong place. The article has not been deleted so this page has no applicability to this proposed deletion in the future. This page is for article that have already been deleted. Your assertion of notability has no value whatever. Notability is an objective standard. You show something is notable by citing to reliable sources, independent of the subject, evidencing that the the world has taken note of the topic by writing about is in some depth. You will get nowhere by saying "it is notable." Show us.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Kadda Sheekoff
Kadda Sheekoff · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
Kadda Sheekoff Real Name Is Gregory Pierre Hes 17 Years Old Hes From Haiti In A Place Call Mon Jean Pierre Next To Grand Ravin He Start writing lyrics since he was 8 years old in haiti A Hip Hop Star From Haiti Rap/ Singer/ Dancer/ Acter/Beat Maker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaddasheekoff (talk • contribs)
Not done - this page was deleted in accordance with criterion for speedy deletion A7. If you believe that this decision was found in error, or that significant new information has come to light since the deletion, please contact the administrator who implemented the deletion request, user PMDrive1061 (talk · contribs). If you have already done so, your concerns can be taken to deletion review.. Protonk (talk) 19:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Talk:Debacterol
This is the talk page of an article which was moved to userspace, then moved back to main space, it was deleted under CSD G8 -Patcat88 (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
biblio.com
The reason given for the speedy deletion, A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content) does not apply to the page that was removed. Biblio.com is the third largest used and rare book search marketplace, and the largest independently owned marketplace. The page linked to a registered non-profit entity, BiblioWorks. The BiblioWorks page was also deleted without cause. -64.147.222.45 (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article was saved in userspace as a draft here for additional editing to make it encyclopedia-worthy. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
"Biblioworks.org
The page for Biblioworks.org that was removed referred to the works of a 501(c)(3) registered non-profit that has built libraries in impoverished communities in Bolivia as well as literacy efforts in the United States. The Wikipedia page for this organization is a vital source for gaining awareness of this organizations works to solicit volunteers and contributions. The reason given for the speedy deletion, A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content) has been grossly inappropriately applied to this page. -64.147.222.45 (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please read WP:CORP and WP:NOBLECAUSE. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
List of O2Jam songs
* 00:25, 1 February 2009 Rjd0060 deleted "List of O2Jam songs" (Deleted because expired WP:PROD; Reason given: Content fork of a deleted article.)
O2Jam was undeleted on April 1, but List of O2Jam songs was not undeleted along with it, resulting in a red link on the O2Jam page. -MightyJAK (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done Unmanageable list, appears to advocate breaking the law, nothing worth saving (redlink or otherwise), non-encyclopedic. I'd call it a contested PROD but it was deleted ages ago. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Comparison of church management software
- Comparison of church management software · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]
Hi, would you please userfy this article for me? I think I'd perhaps like to sit down with the Vim text editor, delete one or more spammy column(s), then merge the rest into Church management software. Thanks in advance, Unforgettableid (talk) 04:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC) -Unforgettableid (talk) 04:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Done at User:Unforgettableid/Comparison of church management software Skier Dude (talk 05:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
The Chartered Institute of Marketing
The membership categories are wrong. I corrected them, and you deleted my corrections so it is wrong again. See http://www.cim.co.uk/membership/typesmembership/home.aspx for the correct membership categories. -87.82.48.162 (talk) 12:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done Items wasy deleted >2 yrs ago. If it has somehow gained notability and if it's possible to create an article that is not promotional in nature, then please feel free to create an account, and compose a draft article in your personal WP:SANDBOX (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
The Chartered Institute of Marketing
The membership categories are wrong. They have been wrong for over 2 years. All the while you continue to refuse an update, Wikipedia is peddling incorrect information. I corrected them 2 days ago, and you deleted my corrections 2 days ago, so it is STILL WRONG -87.82.48.162 (talk) 14:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done There is no such article; I'm not sure what on earth you are claiming to have corrected. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- There is, however, an article Chartered Institute of Marketing, which has not been deleted. If you want to discuss that article, you should be doing so on its talk page, not here. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Cayman Karting
This article was speedy deleted (without notification to the page creator). The Conflict of Interest point is readily acknowledged and appropriate disclosure is now made on User:Caymandriver. Considerable effort was made to write in natural, but neutral, language and merely summarize factual information from third-party articles already in print. I would be grateful for the opportunity to seek feedback on the article and whether it can be amended to satisfy the necessary criteria. Ideally this would be through an AfD discussion. If that is not considered appropriate, please could it be userfied? Caymandriver (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done No sign of notability, especially as per WP:CORP. Purely promotional. Wikipedia is not a business directory. Undeletion would be considered controvertial as the article does not meet basic inclusion requirements. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Is there an opportunity to debate this anywhere? Is it appropriate/possible to userify the page so a discussion on notability can take place? It appears all other karting venues with articles were similarly listed for speedy deletion, but were not deleted and are now subject to contested AfD discussions. The Category:Karting venues was itself also listed for deletion and that discussion remains open. This particular kart track is a national sports facility that receives widespread coverage in the Cayman Islands national media: there is online evidence of national television station coverage and several articles in both Cayman's national newspapers are referenced in the article. Insofar as the article content itself requires editing I would appreciate the chance to receive feedback. Caymandriver (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Here's an idea: I'm about to block you for a promotional username, contrary to WP:U and WP:COI. Before I do, why not head over to WP:CHU right now to request a new username. Then, come back and we will discuss userfication, and whether you should even be editing this article. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks - username changed. There seem to be two points here - notability and conflict of interest. The notability question I think falls in line with discussions with the other karting venues. I would suggest that karting venues are conceptually of suitable notability - motorsports tracks are of natural encyclopedic interest due to many standard comparable data points and the popularity of motorsports - but that is an ongoing debate properly being conducted elsewhere. I would suggest in relation to this particular kart track there is ample evidence of national interest and notability. As for the potential conflict of interest this is acknowledged and now disclosed on the userpage. According to the relevant guidelines this is not in and of itself a bar to page creation, but a reason for great caution to ensure the conflict of interest does not affect the objectivity of the content. The exercise of great caution was attempted in writing the article. Close attention was paid to ensure the content was strictly factual, it was carefully linked internally, referenced externally and used the appropriate templates. It may be that the article can be cut down or edited by myself, or ideally others, to satisfy whatever concerns do exist. In essence I would appreciate the opportunity to receive substantive feedback as to what actual issues the conflict of interest has given rise to in relation to the content. AjfKY (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Here's an idea: I'm about to block you for a promotional username, contrary to WP:U and WP:COI. Before I do, why not head over to WP:CHU right now to request a new username. Then, come back and we will discuss userfication, and whether you should even be editing this article. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 13:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Gargantuan Enterprise
Unjustly targeted by vandalism software -GargantuanEnterprise (talk) 07:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
This article was unfairly targeted by speedy deletion software. Gargantuan Enterprise is in fact a legitimate organization making legitimate claims about itself.
Not done and will not be doneIn fact, I've just blocked your account indefinately, as that page was pure vandalism, and your username is a violation. Courcelles 07:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Sima Yari 2nd
reasoning -188.158.16.237 (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
sima yari is one of the greatest modern poets of iran,probably a hardliner muslim has requested deleting the page,please undelete it,thanks
Sima Yari was moved to a userpage User:Nematg/Sima Yari. If you work on it there, then when it is ready it can be moved back. ~~ GB fan ~~ 11:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- 1. For the record, the deletion was the result of a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sima Yari and therefore should never have been brought here.
- 2. Incivil accusations such as you made in this nomination have no place here; please refrain from such language in the future. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Jono Lester
I am requesting the undeletion of this page as Jono Lester is relevant as a current international racing car driver. He has competed at the top level in Porsche racing in New Zealand, Australia and Europe. His website http://www.jonolester.com will confirm proof of his existence, as will this link, which confirms him as a Porsche AG driver: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2010_Porsche_Supercup_season#Teams_and_drivers -Dzinexpress (talk) 01:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Nobody is denying that he exists; merely that he shows any evidence of notability sufficient to merit an encyclopedia article. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Alejandro de la Vega Zulueta
Concerns about cites and links were addressed, and no more feedback was received for this changes. Citing that the UA Universidad Anahuac is an XYZ University without knowledge is wrong, the UA is one of the top 5 Universities in Mexico and has given only 7 Medals for Leadership in Architecture in 45 Years. -189.141.54.253 (talk) 16:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article was deleted by a community discussion so I can't unilaterally restore it. Are there any reliable sources which cover the subject in sufficient detail? Protonk (talk) 16:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alejandro de la Vega Zulueta. This is not the venue for appealing such decisions. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Links were provided for newspaper articles and magazine articles as well as isbn numbers for books that talk about the architect and his design studio. We could upload them to this talk page for review. We also uploaded a couple of photographs of the designs and awards.
Mimee
Mimee may not have notability, as this was the reason the editor deleted it, but it does have usefulness. For this reason alone, it should be restored. The link to it at Geographic coordinate conversion is useful, for example. The deleting editor, Fastily, has withdrawn from editing Wikipedia. -RGB2 (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- "It's useful" is one of the myriad arguments which have no value in discussing the retention of an article on a non-notable topic. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- I discovered Mimee from Wikipedia due to it being listed as a link atGeographic coordinate conversion. Yes there are websites other than Mimee that do what it does, but from what I know those other sites go into much greater mathematics and involve using formulas I can't understand. When I said Mimee was useful, I mean that it is an easy to use tool for converting geographic coordinates, so easy that anyone can use it. This fact makes it useful. And this means it should stay on Wikipedia. If you can find another tool similar to it that is easy to use and has notability, please refer to it. If Orangemike has made up his/her mind on this topic, I would like to hear from another editor. RGB2 (talk) 01:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. The point Orangemike makes is a valid one but rather for the deletion discussion that in all likelihood will be opened. In any case, you need to substantiate your own assessment with published third party sources. --Tikiwont (talk) 08:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- I discovered Mimee from Wikipedia due to it being listed as a link atGeographic coordinate conversion. Yes there are websites other than Mimee that do what it does, but from what I know those other sites go into much greater mathematics and involve using formulas I can't understand. When I said Mimee was useful, I mean that it is an easy to use tool for converting geographic coordinates, so easy that anyone can use it. This fact makes it useful. And this means it should stay on Wikipedia. If you can find another tool similar to it that is easy to use and has notability, please refer to it. If Orangemike has made up his/her mind on this topic, I would like to hear from another editor. RGB2 (talk) 01:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Victor C. X. Wang
reasoning -Cxw888 (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor C. X. Wang. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Blocked--Tikiwont (talk) 08:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Gerald Walpin v. Corporation for National and Community Service, et al.
- Gerald Walpin v. Corporation for National and Community Service, et al. · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]
Article was speedily deleted with no discussion. Subject is notable, and has received substantiual coverage from reliable sources for more than a year -71.182.209.121 (talk) 18:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Not done - deleted twice under WP:CSD#G5 - suggest WP:Deletion review especially given the prior history of the article. Skier Dude (talk 18:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Sima Yari 3rd
Ms. Sima Yari,an Iranian woman poet, lives in Iran ,and has made a greate influance on today's poem by her words in both persian and English(see www.simayari.com). Please do not delete "sima yari " !-89.165.17.38 (talk) 05:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Done It has already been undeleted. You or anybody else interested in the poet needs to actually improve the draft at User:Nematg/Sima Yari instead of posting repeated requests here. Then we can see. --Tikiwont (talk) 09:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Prince Mohammed bin Faisal I bin Al Hussein El-Hashemite
- Prince Mohammed bin Faisal I bin Al Hussein El-Hashemite · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]
His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin King Faisal I bin Al Hussein Bin Ali El-Hashemite (b. 1930 in Iraq) is the second son of King Faisal I of Iraq (d. 1933). He is a member of the Hashemite dynasty and therefore a descendant of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Contents [hide] 1 Activities since 1958 2 See also 3 Notes 4 External links Advertisement
Activities since 1958
On July 14, 1958 a coup occurred in Iraq, which effectively dissolved Hashemite rule in the country, At the time, Prince Mohammed was away, travelling in Egypt. As of today, he is considered the sole legitimate heir to the Hashemite throne in Iraq. Prince Mohammed has remained in exile from Iraq since 1958. He backed away from politics and put all the efforts to the development of education, scientific research, culture and social work in the Arab world and the third world countries as president of the Royal Academy of Science International Trust (RASIT), which he founded in 1968. Prince Mohammed is married to the honorable Fatima Hashemi, and has three sons, Adel, Adnan and Ahmad: and one daughter, Nasreen. See also
Faisal I of Iraq – (d. 1933) Ghazi of Iraq - was king of Iraq from 1933 to 1939. Prince Mohammed’s brother. Faisal II - Iraq's last king. He reigned from 1939 until he was killed during a coup d'état in 1958. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.112.69 (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2010
Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. However, as genealogies of the Hashemite family show that King Faisal I had only one son, I have marked the article as a suspected hoax and nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Mohammed bin Faisal I bin Al Hussein El-Hashemite. Your comments are welcome there. JohnCD (talk) 17:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Otago University Hockey Club
Could you please userfy this article for me? An admin has suggested a merge of the article with other related articles could be appropriate. -GintyFrench(talk!) 13:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- I moved it to User:Gintyfrench/Otago University Hockey Club. Protonk (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Dan Madigan
reasoning -Walterjack (talk) 14:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
This article was purged with malice and with NO direct contact within moments of it being posted and noted as FAKE. This individual is very real and a personal friend. The article was being added to flesh out information regarding a feature film project - of which I am writer and producer.
Please restore it!
- Comment - User_talk:Marasmusine#Dan Madigan Article; I have offered to help with the article if Walterjack can provide me with his sources. Marasmusine (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I have discovered that most of the text of the article was taken verbatim from http://www.cellagallery.com/Site_2/Madigan_Album/Madigan_Album.html, so undeleting would cause copyright problems. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Marasmusine is working on restoring those parts of the article which are acceptable. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
File:The Pendulum - Before The Duel (small).JPG
reasoning -Fiskeharrison (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I am the sole owner of the reproduction rights of this production photograph of the play 'The Pendulum' as the producer of the play. They were purchased in their entirety from the official photographer Matt Jamie. --Fiskeharrison (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- This, and the below, should go into a DRV not here. But as an aside they need OTRS's on them as in each as someone other than the uploader took the images and they were all claimed as {{pd-self}}. Soundvisions1 (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I see. Thank you. I was unaware and probably hurried through the process without reading the fine print, taking the easy route. --Fiskeharrison (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
File:Alexander Fiske-Harrison headshot1.JPG
reasoning -Fiskeharrison (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
This reproduction rights for this acting headshot are solely owned by me, the subject (actor), having been purchased from the photographer who took them, Marco Windham. --Fiskeharrison (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Seaview Holiday Village
A site of this name falls within the scope of a project I've been undertaking to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Butlins related knowledge (an important UK tourism/culture subject) if the article at this location concerned the Seaview holiday Village in Polperro, Cornwall, UK I would like to restore the information even if it is moved into my userspace until improved -Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- I moved it to User:Stuart.Jamieson/Seaview Holiday Village. As you can see, there wasn't much there. Protonk (talk) 22:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, might have been better delete under a G1 or G2 than A1 since the last half rambles so much, but at least I know now. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 23:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. For my money, G1/G2 and A1 are pretty much interchangeable. Protonk (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, might have been better delete under a G1 or G2 than A1 since the last half rambles so much, but at least I know now. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 23:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
List of Fictional Companies
List of Fictional Companies reasoning -70.170.46.233 (talk) 05:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
One of the most annoying things I can think of is looking up a Wikipedia entry that I use regularly only to find out it has been deleted. Reasons why it has been deleted 1. "almost three years earlier is no reason to keep something around, as consensus can and does change. The standards of 2010 are, thankfully, higher than those of 2007. The consensus here is that this list is an indiscriminate collection of trivia" 2. "Just being mentioned in a notable work of fiction does not make some fictional company notable." Refute 1. List of U.S. Presidents have been on the list longer than three years, and will change. But does that mean delete that list too? And one of the primary purposes of Wikipedia is Trivia. 2. What is notable to one party does not necessarily mean it is notable to another party. I have found many entries that can be defined only as "useless knowledge", but I do not advocate deleting any of them. Just because one looks down their nose at "mere trivia" does not give them the right to advocate its deletion. One party's "mere trivia" is another party's valuable information. That said, those deletion advocates might dismiss trivia as important, but many users use Wikipedia for that exact reason, locating trivia. It's not as if Wikipedia has a finite amount of space. I have no problem with merging or splitting files, within reason, but I find the hubris of parties advocating deleting entries suffocating. How would they like it if I advocated deleting entries that are important to them? Compromise If Wikipedia still insist on deleting entries for obviously arbitrary reasons, put them in an easily located archive so parties who still find said entries pertinent have no problem in still locating information they want.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.46.233 (talk • contribs)
Not done - a deleted page with this name does not appear to exist.Spartaz Humbug! 06:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Bad caps, I think they meant List of fictional companies. It was deleted via AFD, so can't be deleted through this process anyway. — ξxplicit 06:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- "one of the primary purposes of Wikipedia is Trivia"???? Not in my book. Maybe you should set up your own Wikitrivia project, and get others who feel the way you do to work there instead of here. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- In my personal experience, there is a detachment between users and regular editors of Wikipedia. To my knowledge, most WP readers in real life have an inclusionist bias, while most editors are neutral or deletionists. --Cyclopiatalk 11:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
- Though I note your qualifier, that is a sweeping, unfalsifiable statement. Perhaps the same things could be said of readers of any publication. I feel that the American Economic Review ought to accept more submissions, but I suspect that the editors of the AER feel differently. Certainly the philosophy of "it exists, so it should be covered" is easy to hold in mind, but nearly impossible to implement in practice if you also require that information be verifiable. I will, however, fully agree that active editors of wikipedia are MUCH more likely to treat wikipedia as non-trivial, because nobody likes working hard on something that is a lark. As a result, we see a lot of pressure to kind of reform the image of wikipedia through things like notability or metering what kind of articles go on the main page (when was the last porn star you saw on the main page? What kind of articles are overrepresented on the main page relative to their churn in recent changes or even their proportion of FAs?). That's not even mentioning the great BLP controversy. If you want an issue which is held in deep regard by wikipedians but basically ignored by regular readers, look no further. Protonk (talk) 19:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- In my personal experience, there is a detachment between users and regular editors of Wikipedia. To my knowledge, most WP readers in real life have an inclusionist bias, while most editors are neutral or deletionists. --Cyclopiatalk 11:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)