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September 16

Clarification

Can someone please clarify exactly where the cutoff between the Rabbit and Dragon Chinese zodiac signs for 1532 is? Because there is conflicting information on these three sites. I was hoping that this very article would explain where the cutoff is. But if it does then the information is unreadable. As I haven't learned to read 4228 or 4168 to 4229 or 4169.

Currently I'm banking on this site being more correct. Because all the information on that site that contradicts the information on the other two sites I linked seems to be consistent with the information that I've found on all the other sites I've visited. Including this one. Even though I've only found three sites that cover dates as far back as 1532, one of those three sites seems to agree with all the other sites that I've visited on everything. So my guess is that that one is correct. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 10:32, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You've linked to the Chinese New Year in 1532. The correct date for this year (2022) is February 1, which agrees with Chinese New Year at Wikipedia. The date is different every year, because it is a movable holiday; it is defined as the first new moon on or after January 21. This concurs that that New Moon this year occurred on Feb 1. --Jayron 32 12:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh whoops. I forgot to edit my comment when copying it from the Talk:1532 page. I linked 1532 on purpose. Because that's the year that's the subject of the topic I started. It's really frustrating because the site you linked only seems to go back as far as 1600 which isn't far enough. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 12:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want the date for 1532, This page says the requisite New Moon in 1532 happened on February 16. --Jayron 32 12:24, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So that's definitely as 'correct' as I'll ever get, right? What about this site which claims that 1532 started on the 17th February? ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 12:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't view that site. It times out for me. Is that site measuring UTC, or your local time, or the time in another time zone? That may account for differences. --Jayron 32 13:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure. Would this help? I've tried saving it as a web archive. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 13:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This site with the calendar for Australia gives the New Moon on January 17, 1532 (Gregorian date). The moving line separating one day from the next takes some ten hours to go from Perth (or Beijing) to Greenwich, so it is possible that at the precise moment it was still January 16 according to the reckoning of present-day UTC. --Lambiam 12:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking for the New Moon for February, since that's the month when 1532 started according to the Chinese Lunar Calendar. That same site claims that the New Moon for February happened on the 16th. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 13:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is likely "What day where". The precise date you are in depends on where on earth you are. The "new moon" occurs at a specific moment in time and that moment in time could be part of two possible dates depending on where on earth you are when that moment in time happens. For some locations on Earth that will be the 16th, for others the 17th. For the purpose of Wikipedia articles, we generally use Universal Coordinated Time, UTC, which is the time zone centered on Greenwich, England. --Jayron 32 14:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. But for "two possible dates", read "two or three possible dates". (There are time zones more than 24 hours apart.) --174.95.81.219 (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I was doing it for my own country, New Zealand, I would probably go with the 17th. But since what I'm doing it for is inspired by the United Kingdom (or UTC as a fallback), I think that would suggest that I should go with the 16th. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 01:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Check if you are using the Gregorian calendar or Julian calendar, as the first may be anachronistic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is the National Day of Mourning in Canada going to be a permanent holiday every year?

Is the National Day of Mourning in Canada for the Queen going to be a permanent holiday every year every September 19th? 2001:569:7D9A:1300:508D:31EA:89FA:11F3 (talk) 23:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"This coincides with Her Late Majesty’s State Funeral in London". Unless she gets buried every year, that seems highly unlikely. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note the importance of the indefinite article: "...that September 19, 2022, will be a National Day of Mourning in Canada". That's a subtle point in English grammar, but in my dialect, that implies that it won't repeat, whereas the definite article would be imply that it would repeat. Mathglot (talk) 02:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a Canadian, I can state that support for the monarchy was waning even in the days of Elizabeth II. Charles III? Meh. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]