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Nuclear

Why cant most Americans say this word properly (*ie New_clear). Most say 'newkeelar'- horrid!--Light current 00:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Why are all Brits cricket aficionados who drink tea at 5 o'clock and say "Cheerio!"? Stereotypes. Actually, even here in the US, most people approach that pronunciation with scorn as well. Hyenaste ^(tell) 00:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

American politicians are the worst offenders! Cheerio, just off to watch the cricket with my cup of tea!--Light current 00:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I assume we have one American politician in mind. I heard an interesting theory that the mispronunciation was intentional, sort of a badge of redneck credentials, allying himself with the masses rather than the educated. The political value of pandering to anti-intellectualism is a more depressing stereotype of american culture than the existence of a dialectal mispronunciation. But I am sure you Brits never held anyone's pronunciation against them politically, have you? alteripse 00:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Good point. --Howard Train 03:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just seen this link. Yes hes a poor speaker also! But he know how to say NEW CLEAR!!!--Light current 00:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC) THis is not a political attack on any one. I just though that someone who has his finger on the big red button (and others) just might learn how to pronounce the word 'nuclear' correctly.--Light current 00:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

there is no "correct" pronounciation of words.. -Wjlkgnsfb 00:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

THat is an erroneous statement. If that were true, why do they put the pronunciation in all good dictionaries? BTW you spelled it wrong as well!--Light current 00:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Depends on the dictionary... Most strive to be descriptive, while a few (notably the OED) adopt a more prescriptive position. --Howard Train 03:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

clearly you understood what I meant, even though I spelt it "incorrectly" so why does it matter?

Understand that you're making a fundamental error on language, you have it all reversed. The dictionary is a reflection of the language that is being used, not the other way around . -Wjlkgnsfb 02:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If we all pronounced things wrongly, we wouldnt uderstand each others speech. Would we? THats why it tells you how to do it in dictionaries.--Light current 02:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't answer that. You've beat me and my silly theories on a "definitive" linguistics!! All I can do is agree with you and look back at my past self and mock my ignorance. How foolish was I to believe that publishing houses like Oxford University Press and Merriam-Webster shouldn't prescribe my words to me!?

Please, Light current, please send your work off to the Applied Linguistics Journal for the good of philology! no, dammit, for the good of the world!! -Wjlkgnsfb 02:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I shall 8-)--Light current 02:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

My high school physics teacher always pronounced it nookyoolar (and nookyoolus). It drove me nuts. (not a far drive). User:Zoe|(talk) 02:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I mean, whats so hard about NU and CLEAR? Its like people over here pronouncing 'drawing' as 'draw ring'. Why put extra letters in the word? THeres no 'R' in the word. Besides, a draw ring is something completely different, thus emphasising the importance of correct pronunciation.--Light current 02:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

wow! I never knew the English language worked so logically! Incredible! -Wjlkgnsfb 02:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

UHH?--Light current 03:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If we're really going to get technical it's supposed to be 'Nu-kli-er' (3 syllables, no 'w') not the 2 syllables 'new clear' would get you. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a ref for that? If thats the case you can see why Dubya is having trouble. Its easier to make mistakes with 3 syllables rather than 2 isnt it?--Light current 18:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Accoring to an article in the New York Times magazine (specifically William Safire's old column "On Language") mentions that the common switch from "nuclear" to "nucular" is an example of metathesis. (<== read) It's an example of people exchanging unusual phonemes for familiar ones. Safire argues that we are much more familiar with the formations found in secular, vascular, jocular and molecular than we are with "nuclear", and thus we unconsciously substitute. Of course it's a much more serious matter altogether when the substitution becomes foreign policy... --Bmk 03:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course Dubya could pronounce it 'Atomic' if he followed some of the advice given earlier. He might find that easier 8-)--Light current 05:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Arguing over the pronounciation of nuclear is stupid.

Dont do it then!--Light current 18:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the 3 syllable pronunciation, "new-clee-ar", which goes nicely with "new-clee-us". Of course, we can avoid the whole issue by saying "nuke" instead, LOL. StuRat 18:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Thats the pronunciation Ronald MacDonald Reagan used: "Nuke 'em"--Light current 18:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and I am an American. I do pronounce it the right way, but it is embarassing when our President cannot even pronounce the word. Viva La Vie Boheme!

I seem to recall that Eisenhower said "new-cu-luhr" while Kennedy said 'noo-klee-er." It would be an interesting index of how dense Presidents were. Edison 12:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Clinton pronounce it "nyu-kyu-lar"? It seems to me this is a political issue. KeeganB

Sealand Photo

1)This picture of Sealand only exists on the English Wikipedia. If someone is invloved with more than one Wikipedia, please spread it around, I mean Sealand is only the most famous/infamous micronatiom (yes, I ment to missspell that, don't ask wy) out there and is a feature article on three Wikipedias.

2)Instead of the Reference desk/Miscellaneous, where should I have put this?--Porsche997SBS 00:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

2: wikipedia is a blizzard of special projects and initiatives that are old/archived/new/in progress with much overlap. Unfortunately, as you've found, there're no good links to any of them! Sort through the cobwebs and let us know what you find (in the form of a question of course, the reference desk is like Jeopardy) -Wjlkgnsfb 02:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If you want to see a picture used more, I suggest uploading it to the Wikimedia Commons, which makes it automatically accessible to all the various Wikipedias. Short of adding it to articles in other languages yourself, there's not really a good place to request inter-language dissemination. Ziggurat 02:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

one wonders how accurate this map is? Clearly the dot is not to scale. I shall add a disclaimer at the bottom of the image on Sealand -Wjlkgnsfb 02:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The dot is not to scale; if it was you couldn't see it! Sealand's real location is in the top-left corner of the dot; That tiny, but more accurate dot, would be 1.5% the area of the "real dot". But we wouldn't be able to see that, would we! Go ahead, add the disclaimer, it's a good idea.--Porsche997SBS 00:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

On another note, what's with the picture? Has it been photoshopped? Or does His Highness really have manboobs so big he needs to wear a bra? Looks a bit chilly, Sire. Anchoress 06:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope, since if it was photoshop, we would have heard from Sealand a while ago. :) User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe their radio's broken. Anchoress 08:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I put it on the commons and in the article since no body else would!! — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Image:Location_Sealand.PNG

24 (TV series) DVD question

in the DVD of 24, they show the minutes that the TV showed the commercials, or they not filmed this parts??

• Yes, the time ticks on in commercial breaks. That's why countries like the Netherlands have a timer that jumps a few minutes when switching between scenes normally shown before and after a break. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia becoming Myspace?

Nearly a day does not pass when you read about some problem Wikipedia is having with users more interested in social networking than writing the encyclopedia. What have you seen of this trend? What do you think about it? And how does it make you feel?

Do you feel that there are people pretending to be something they are not? (Lying about sex, age, etc.)

And is there an increase in people using these fake "covers" to entice others, including children? What have you seen of this?

Like the user User:S-man for instance?

Courtney Akins 02:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

my thoughts:

What have I seen of this trend?

NOthing. In absolute terms, the number of people still dedicated probably doesn't change much. I think you're referring to an increase in flotsam outside of the core.

What do I think about it?

Don't care. Wiki's change.

How does it make me feel?

At first thought, sad, because wikipedia is about knowledge, but things change. That's the basis of the wiki, stuff changes it's never solid. So now I feel better about it.

btw, just about every college freshman lies about sex...

-Wjlkgnsfb 02:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

When the 'pedia becomes overrun with "OMG!!111 He so FINE!!!!~!~!~!~!"; then get worried. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{blah • Snakes on a Plane}} 02:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Courtney, you confuse me. You make some good edits, but then you say things like these [1] [2] which make you seem a little suspicious. Anchoress 03:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Why should those edits make her suspicious? Isn't it conceivable that Courtney is an intelligent young woman who just happens to enjoy talking about sex in an uninhibited manner? It's not entirely out of the question, you know. In fact, we should be encouraging more people like her to come here! --Richardrj 07:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If you don't see why they make her suspicious I don't think I can explain it to you. It has nothing to do with her being 'an intelligent young woman who just happens to enjoy talking about sex in an uninhibited manner.' I know it isn't 'entirely out of the question', since I happen to be one also. I don't appreciate you jumping to conclusions. Anchoress 08:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I guess I'll have to remain in the dark then. I'm not sure I understand why you can't explain it, though. When I read your statement that those edits make her suspicious, it makes me think that you suspect her of being some kind of internet troll, or even a man posting as a woman for kicks. I can see nothing in those edits to support those suspicions. And BTW, I am totally in agreement with you on public transport seat etiquette :-) --Richardrj 08:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

So you think I might suspect her of being a troll, but you still don't understand why I won't explain? You do know that accusing someone of being a troll is a blockable offence, right? Do you get it yet? But my opinion of her is based on more than just the two links I've posted. It includes some edits on the WP:AN/I page and some userpages, including a very weird discussion about underage editors and sex. Notice above that I didn't say it was exactly those edits that made me suspicious, I said 'edits like these'. Those were just the two I found without hunting. I'm a lazy, lazy woman, and sifting through the AN/I archives is a chore. Anchoress 08:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I didn't know that, so thanks for the explanation. --Richardrj 08:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No probs, peace. Anchoress 09:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

hahah looks like courtney's little bro hacked her account. -Wjlkgnsfb 03:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...I don't see too many people trying to "Myspace" Wiki, apart from youDownunda 06:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To respond to the original question, I would say no, and Wikipedia will never become Myspace. We're just not the kind of people that Myspace personifies. We're a bunch of smart guys (Anchoress is awesome!) that enjoy writing this free encylopaedia to share our knowledge (and others') to as many people as possible—that's what Wikipedia is. It is at heart a selfless act. Why do I spend hours on the commons, writing articles, on the Reference Desks, or vandal fighting? Conversely, Myspace is all about... oneself. It is even in the name. Sure it is for "social networking" but it is mainly young people that design their own page, and chat with "friends," of which almost none are actually friends. There are not really intelligent signs of life (I know Michio Kaku has a Myspace for publicity). Wikistress can sometimes affect users, from disagreements, pressures of adminship, or a sudden prolonged influx of vandalism, or a new vandalbot. It has driven people to leave Wikipedia entirely. :( — [Mac Davis] (talk)

No. --Proficient 02:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you keep your replies a bit more concise please! THanks--Light current 02:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Biographic information on two prolific authors: Charles Ramsey Clark and Isabel M. Lewis

I am specifically looking for BIRTH DATES and dates of dis-incarnation, if aplicable.

Help, help, help;

thank you!

P.S. am not too savy with computers; my e-mail may be helpful: welngtn4@yahoo.com p.p.s. These authors were quoted by author c.c. zain. I am editing and annotating the book quoting. . . and would like to add the vital stats re. birth and disincarnation. MANY MANY THANKS!

Many Thanks, Wellington

deleted the email, it's against policy or culture or somesuch.... -Wjlkgnsfb 03:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Doesnt look like they're here yet.--Light current 03:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Google doesn't seem to be acquainted with them either. Is your spelling correct? --Bmk 03:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I managed to find them using Google (you need to type in "Charles R Clark"), but no birth/death dates I'm afraid. I think the first guy is still alive. You may want to contact the publisher if it's really really important. BenC7 07:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The usual, and best, way to get information about authors is to contact their publisher, or to write to the author c/o their publisher.--Shantavira 08:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Disincarnation wtf? The opposite of reincarnation? — [Mac Davis] (talk)

I think it's this person's particular way of saying "date of death". BenC7 03:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I wondered when people had started disincarnating.What's wrong with a good straightforward Death? :) Lemon martini 09:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for putting a wikilink to "death". Just in case people were unaware of what it was. :) BenC7 10:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus' Birthplace

We here at the article Miley Cyrus are engaged in sort of an argument about Miley's birthplace. Some sources say Franklin, Tennessee, while others say Nashville, Tennessee. Can someone shed some light and resolve a dispute here? Bibliomaniac15 03:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Answered on article talk. Deltabeignet 03:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• It might be answered on the talk, but I am not very sure. Bibliomaniac15 04:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Pop culture: 60's action/adventure movie?

Many years ago I saw a short segment of an old late 60's/early 70's action adventure movie similar to the Our Man Flint films. It may even have been part of that series. But I don't know the title of the film.

The scene I remember is of a large machine composed of several clear cylinders, each of which is a couple feet in diameter and maybe seven feet tall. Most are filled with a murky gaseous mixture, but one contains a person. That person may be the protagonist I can't remember. The scene plays as if the evil mad scientist character has captured the protagonist, and rather than swiftly dispose of him, is instead going to subject him to some long drawn-out ending. I specifically remember a certain part of the scene where a small object is clipped to the shirt collar of the person placed in the tube. Once that's done, the tube is sealed, and it then begins rhythmically oscillating up-and-down. The other tubes are all also oscillating up-and-down. It is clear that the longer he stays in the tube, the more danger he is in.

What the heck is the name of that film?

could it be The Prisoner?

--Light current 05:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• No. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 22:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

RU sure. Have U seen all the episodes?--Light current 02:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not The Prisoner because that's not an adventure movie, and the "orbit" tubes (which only appear in the final episode) seem to be quite benign and do not contain any sort of gaseous mixture, shirt collars, etc. This reminds me more of Austin Powers, but that's too recent (ignoring the time travel aspect).--Shantavira 07:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It reminds me of an episode of The Simpsons, which was undoubtedly spoofing the same movie. An off-Wiki trivia site credited Lost In Space for the tube idea, but I don't know if that's what you're looking for. Anchoress 08:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm pretty sure it wasn't an episode of The Prisoner, I've seen them all several times. The tubes DO remind me of the tubes used in the Lost in Space spacecraft... so much so that I suspect perhaps the same props may have been used later, when the movie was shot. But in the movie, they are all part of one large machine, which has some definite (and nefarious) purpose. I just can't recall what that is, or the title of the movie.

Wait a mo! was it that flim with the Interrossiter in? THe tubes were on a space ship. THey went in the tubes to accustom them selves to higher gravity on the new planet.--Light current 16:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC) [3]--Light current 17:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No, very close! But that was 'This Island Earth', and those tubes had something to do with conditioning the travelers in the flying saucer for the interstellar voyage to the other planet (Metalluna?). I'm pretty sure these tubes were part of a machine; they were in one parallel row, adjacent to each other, and affixed to a hidden crankshaft that caused them to slowly move up and down. I'm sure it was made in about the same time, maybe a little later. The small device clipped to the person's shirt definitely had something to do with the operation of the machine and the function of the tubes, though.

companies

what is the difference between investment companies and normal companies?

thanks

Check out Angel investor and Venture capital. Basically, a normal company either manufactures something of use or provides a service of some description. An investment company buys shares in other businesses, providing them with the cash they need to grow in return for part-ownership of the company in question. --Howard Train 07:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars Trilogy The Empire Strikes back

Can you tell me where I can purchase the above DVD please? I purchased the item for a xmas present but unfortunately this disc was lost before it was even watched. We think it must have got caught up in the wrapping papers at xmas. It has left me with one very dissappointed husband.I'm not sure how to purchase or where to purchase another copy of just this single dvd.Here's hoping you can help.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.72.216 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure what the problem is, as this seems to be widely available, for example from Amazon. What country are you in?--Shantavira 08:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

My guess is that she bought the whole trilogy as a box set, has lost just that one disc and would like to replace it (no packaging, nothing) without having to buy the whole thing over again. I don't think any stores would do this, however. As you say, she'll need to buy the Empire Strikes Back DVD again. --Richardrj 08:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

e-e-e-e-e-Bay, time to check the e-Bay. e-Bay, don't wanna be an Empire girl. Don't know if any of the ones listed now fit, but I bet if you checked back regularly you'd find it. Anchoress 10:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

IANAL but just download it. After all, you do already own a copy of the movie. try Pirate Bay. --Howard Train 04:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting thought. I actually agree with you 100% - there should be nothing wrong with her downloading it from a file-sharing site if she has already paid for a copy and then subsequently lost it. But I doubt the MPAA would see it that way. I wonder what their counter-argument would be? "Tough, you shouldn't have lost it"? Harsh, if so. --Richardrj 12:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Death Metal

There is a death metal song and the lyrics go, please excuse my language: Nailed to the cross Nailed to the cross Nailed to the fucking crossss! Can you tell me who it is by and on which album please thanks.193.115.175.247 09:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it Simon and Garfunkel? --Richardrj 09:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

They are a bit more hardcore than that. — [Mac Davis] (talk)

The song is called "Nailed to the Cross", and it's from the album The Antichrist by the band Destruction. (Lyrics) David Sneek 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No way! Nailed to the Cross? I never would have guessed! — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Thanks, amazon is my friend and so are you, listen to more slayer!

What are the ways for naturalization?

If i enter in japan as an alien, what are the ways to get naturalization(citizenship)there?

Depending on your age, you might have to hand in your current citizenship (according to this page. There's a little more info here (without mention of the age distinction btw), claiming that you also have to assume a Japanese name. It might be interesting to verify this with an official Japanese site. Though not unheard of, the described name-change policy is not very common among modern countries. ---84.75.129.157 14:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The Finnish ambassador to Japan, Martti Turunen, changed his name to Marutei Tsurunen. JIP | Talk 15:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If you take the best you can do in transliterating "Martti Turunen" to the Japanese writing system – in particular the Katakana syllabary that would be used for foreign names – and then transliterate the result back using the usual Hepburn romanization, then that's precisely waht you get. So it's not clear it's any more of a name change than if an Arab called أسامة gets the "American" name Osama. --Lambiam^Talk 07:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Finnish newspapers specifically mention him as "Marutei Tsurunen, formerly Martti Turunen". JIP | Talk 06:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

In contrast to what was suggested above, the article Ethnic issues in Japan states: "Japanese law [...] until the 1980s required adoption of a Japanese name for citizenship." [My emphasis] --Lambiam^Talk 07:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Yosemite Sam

What state is Yosemite Sam from?

Yosemite Sam is a fictional, animated character...right? So he can't really be "from a state", but perhaps I'm missing something. Check out the link to find out more. --Bmk 14:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

A fictional character certainly could be declared to have originated or live in a specific state, province, or region. For example, most of the characters in King of the Hill are from Texas. However, to appeal to the broadest possible audience, most cartoons try to keep the location intentionally vague, as in the Springfield home of the Simpsons, which could be in just about any state (although it's fun to narrow it down using clues like heavy snow in the winter). StuRat 18:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yosimite is in California, so he is likely a tree hugging liberal from the Left Coast.Edison 15:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• No way. He's a Southern boy, brought to California for fortune, adventure, and anvils. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yup, New Mexico apparently.--Shantavira 18:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't he call himself the best shot west of the peco's in at least one episode? AllanHainey

To locate him we just need to find where the range of the Great Horny-Toad overlaps that of the Long-Eared Varmint. --Cam 15:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No, he referred to himself as something like "the rootin'est, tootin'est, shootin'est cowpoke north, south, east, aaaaaaand west of the Pecos!". Branden 07:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

army medical caduesus

I am looking for a quality image of an army medical caduesus. Do you have?24.9.35.28 14:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Sandy Smith (email address redacted)

Do you mean caduceus? There is only this, it seems. David Sneek 16:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This one also appears to have a military origin. --Lambiam^Talk 02:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Did any members of the Casadesus family become doctors? JackofOz 04:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pornography

Does anyone know what percentage of men and what percentage of women regularly use the internet to obtain pornography?

Are you trying to imply that the internet has some other purpose ? :-) StuRat

"Are you trying to imply that the internet has some other purpose?" well excuse me StuRat but you seem to have answered quite a few questions in your time on the reference desk so for you the internet obviously does have some other purposes :)

Well, I need to do something with my hands while waiting for my porn sites to load, don't I ? :-) StuRat 10:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course it does. Its just that the pron sites attrack slightly more wankers than WP. Hang on .. Im not sure about that now!--Light current 19:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought I saw a figure here on wikipedia for this. I can't find it, it may not have existed. Masturbation, Pornography and Internet pornography would have it. Here's three academic studies that might have something. [4], [5], [6] (pdf). — [Mac Davis] (talk)

The_Internet_is_for_Porn--74.134.178.182 21:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Do seagulls use the internet much, or do they get off in the time-honoured way? JackofOz 04:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Well they may have web feet, but that's because gulls like to get on top of buoys.--Shantavira 08:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Is that called the "anti-missionary" position? JackofOz 10:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant --Froth 21:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

3 points to Shanta 8-)--Light current 10:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

How do wrestlers avoid injury when being hit with steel chairs?

I know they get injured, but they're not out for a week. Oh, and if you're a ZOMG, WRESTLING IS FAKE!1!11!1 perosn, then please don't answer this. I'm looking for someone who really knows.

They brace themselves--Light current 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I used to know a pro wrestler. Wrasslers train properly to avoid injury when carrying out stunts. They know how to hit each other without causing serious damage. The "steel" chairs are not exactly the most sturdy items of furniture either. sʟυмɢυм • т • c  22:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

They are careful to hit with the flat edge, so the force is distributed over a large area and doesn't do much damage. If, on the other hand, you were hit with just the point of one leg, say to an eye socket, it could do quite a bit of damage. StuRat 23:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, the chairs are probably Aluminium--Light current 23:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

As was already said they aim to hit with the flat edge. In addition wrestlers will often raise their arms to take a shot which was aimed for their head (which is always blatant whenever The Rock took a shot to the head). Other then the head, the most common place to take a chair shot is the back which is a large enough area and "beefy" enough to withstand the impact. Of course not all wrestlers protect themselves from a chair shot, Mick Foley immediately jumping to mind as someone who, out of a belief that fans paid to see him take it properly, rarely protected himself. I've heard him talk about damage to his memory and speech which he believes was caused by the cumulative effect of all those shots to the head. --Kiltman67 04:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)