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May 29

Alphabetical order of same forename and surname, with and without a middle name

I am curious ... which one comes first in alphabetical order?

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have them in alphabetical order in your question. --Khajidha (talk) 14:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So, the "A" of "Angelo" (in the second name) should come after the "C" of "Cianciulli" (in the first name)? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even when they're presented in forename-surname order, personal names are usually alphabetized in surname-forename order—see, for instance, the alphabetized lists of "Notable people" or "Notable alumni" in WP articles. If the two Cianciullis were being presented in such a list, "Michele [nothing]" would indeed come before "Michele Angelo", and both would come after Moses Chan. Deor (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I was editing this page, in particular: Cianciulli. And was not sure what to do. So, that page -- at present -- looks to be correct, then? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it looks to be alphabetical. Disambiguation pages don't actually have to be, if another order makes more sense. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above, but I'm not sure Wikipedia categories are organised that way. I can't find an example right now, but I'm sure I've seen cases where, e.g., Michael Anthony Smith precedes Michael Smith, in the same (sub-)category. Or Donald Smith precedes Don Smith. Logically, they should go after. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like somebody just forgot to add the default sort template to those articles. --Khajidha (talk) 05:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They must have used defaultsort, otherwise Donald Smith would have been sorted under D for Donald. But maybe they mis-specified exactly how the sorting should occur. I sometimes spend what feels like whole days just fixing stuff like this. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

IsiXhosa

Ngokwezicwangciso kwakufanele ukuba kubekho umngcelele omkhulu woqhankqalazo lwabafundi ngomhla we-16 kuJuni ngowe-1976 kumabala ase-Orlando eSoweto.Yayilusuku lokuba kushukuxwe imiba edla umzi eyayimalunga nemfundo yabantwana. Ndaweni yokuba ibe ngumngcelele woxolo,yasuka yaba lusuku olungasokuze lulibaleke ezimbalini zoMzantsi Afrika.Amapolisa aqalisa ukudubula abafundi abamsulwa, ababengaxhobanga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.81.4 (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Google translate: According to plans there was to be a large march of students on 16 June 1976 at the Orlando stadium in Soweto. Instead of a peaceful march, it turned out to be one of the most memorable days in South African history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.94.249 (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ngenye imini uSbulele wayengafuni ukuya esikolweni.Kwakukho into eyayimkhathaza ekhaya phambi kokuba aye esikolweni.Ingxaki yeyokuba uSbulele wayefuna ukuya esikolweni nosiba lwakhe oluhle ayokulibonisa utitshala uDuma.Wayelugcine phantsi kwebhedi yakhe.Kodwa ngaloo ntsasa akazange alubone kuyo yonke indawo.Lwalungekho nakwibhokisi yakhe enezinto ezibalulekileyo phantsi kwebhedi."Sbulele",yiza apha,"wabizwa ngumama wakhe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.81.4 (talk) 16:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Google translate: One day Sbulele didn't want to go to school. There was something that bothered him at home before he went to school. "Come on", come here, "her mother called.

IsiXhosa Wikipedia iku https://xh.wikipedia.org -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]