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June 4

Street in Tashkent, 1920

A number of sources about the exiled Indian revolutionaries in 1920 mentions that the 'India House' in Tashkent was located on 'Lavmentev Road'. The house was supposedly located on the verge of the old and new Tashkent. But I find zero mentions of 'Lavmentev' road in Tashkent, in fact I see no hits for 'Lavmentev' neither in English or Russian except for when talking about the India House. This must be a typo that has been reproduced. But what was the real street name? -- Soman (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever that building was, does it still exist? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely, even before the earthquake of 1966 destruction of the older parts of the city in the name of improvement and sovietisation was rife. DuncanHill (talk) 10:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It immediately looks like a typo for Lavrentev. I haven't found a "Lavrentev St" in Tashkent, but there seems to be one in Jizzakh, so it's plausible that there was one in Tashkent at some time. ColinFine (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find the street either, but Lavrentev is certainly a common surname in that neck of the woods. Alansplodge (talk) 09:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But aren't the contemporary Lavrentev streets generally named after Soviet scientist? --Soman (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The October Revolution & 70 Years of Indo-Soviet Relations, Vinod Bhatia (1987) Page 41 says (snippet view):

The Turkestan Soviet put at their disposal the palatial building of the former embassy of the Amir of Bokhara, renamed as Indoosky Dom (Indian House).

The last Emir of Bukhara was Sayyid Mir Muhammad Alim Khan who was deposed in 1920. I have been unable to determine whether the embassy building still exists. Alansplodge (talk) 10:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen a mention of it as "former house of Ivanov", Ivanov presumably being Nikolai Ivanov (entrepreneur). Tashkent was taken by the Russians in 1865, so the Embassy may have ceased being an embassy then. DuncanHill (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now our article Tashkent mentions that "A cantonment and Russian settlement were built across the Ankhor Canal from the old city" so that may give us a clew as to the location of "Lavmentev" Road. If only we had a contemporary map of the city. DuncanHill (talk) 10:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Freedom Fighters in Tashkent (1918-1922) by Dilorom Karomat (2020) (which has the Ivanov mention) has a photograph of "Party club and committee in the Old city of Tashkent 1920s". Whether or not this is the Indiyskiy Dom I could not say. The buildings in the picture do have signs on them, which it is possible someone may be able to read. DuncanHill (talk) 10:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've found two sources giving the address of the India House as Lermontov Street, which was "in a new section of Tashkent" but "not far from the heart of the town". Any help? --Antiquary (talk) 11:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lermontov Street, Tashkent appears to be even more elusive that Lavmentev Street! DuncanHill (talk) 11:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lermontov Street appears here: https://books.google.at/books?id=PVn7AgAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA88 The source is from 1925, I'm not 100% sure of what is being listed. The India House would presumably been abandonned by then, so no surpise if it isn't listed. --Soman (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per [1] (p. 113) Oleg Erberg [ru] lived on Lermontov Street, 15 in 1942 (so the street would have kept its name in Soviet period). --Soman (talk) 13:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find it here https://www.goldenpages.uz/uz/streets/ , however, in list of post-independence street name changes. --Soman (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A FB post says "Там, где киоски и стоит фургон - это улица Шипкинская -Почтовая - Алексея Толстого. Мы спускались по Лермонтовской (именно спускались, там был спкск от Пушкинской). Попадали на перекрёсток -типа площадки. Туда "вливались" Бородинская, Лермонтовская и Алексея Толстого. Затем шли мимо этих киосков (там иногда покупали кислое молоко) к молочному павильону. Одноклассницы жили слева и справа от павильона. Первой от Бородинской была забегаловка - пивнушка." Pushkin Avenue is now Mustaliq Avenure [ru]. Tolstoy street would have become Oloy ko'chasi in 2010, but can't find it in google maps but per goldenpages its in the Mirzo-Ulug'bek (which would be near Mustaliq Av.). Borodin Street per goldenpages now Xalqobod ko'chasi, in Unusobod sector (just north of Mizro Ulubeg). --Soman (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://mytashkent.uz/2010/10/17/ulitsa-pochtovaya-istoriya-pochtovaya/ , here with a map where Lermontov St appears. (also https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/f/f7/Tashkent_1932_%214.jpg ) --Soman (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By comparison with Google's contemporary map, Лермонтовская Улица seems to be the street where here a branch of Trustbank is pinned. No street name is shown. Yandex gives the address of a house on the street as "Oloy dahasi, 17",^[2] which does not appear to name a street but more "building #17 in Oloy". Buildings in other nearby streets are also "Oloy dahasi, #". --Lambiam 18:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]