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November 10

Roster for Hawaii Territorial Legislators

Where can I find a roster for legislators in the Hawaii Territorial Legislature from 1919 to 1959? I am trying to find a list of the first few female territorial representatives and territorial senators from this period besides Rosalie Keliʻinoi.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Posse comitatus vs. Hue and cry

Firstly, would somebody mind to have a quick look at the current state of Posse comitatus? I tried to slightly improve the text (e. g. I didn't know what to do with that "recent" before "Militia Ordinance"). Secondly, neither of these articles really explained the difference between the two concepts. Can somebody in the know briefly explain it (and then, for the sake of future readers, maybe include the relevant information at least in one of the articles)? Thanks a lot in advance for any support,--Herfrid (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In English law, the hue and cry was raised by the victim of the crime or a witness to it, was targetted at one particular (perhaps unidentified) felon, and created a duty only among the citizens of the hundred. The posse was raised by the sheriff himself, targetted at felony (or breach of the peace) in general, and was a duty owed by all the citizens of the shrievalty. Tevildo (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tevildo: Thanks a lot for explaining. Wouldn't it then be helpful – at the very least for non-experts – to include a comment similar to what you've said here for distinction? I'm afraid I myself am not well-versed enough to do a good job with that, though.--Herfrid (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably better to discuss this on the posse comitatus talk page first, but I would recommend removing the statement that the two are similar from the ledes (as they're not really that similar, and it is potentially confusing), and moving the links to the "See also" sections. A longer discussion of the differences between the two in the article bodies will require sourcing - we need to avoid violating WP:SYNTH, which my statement above would do. Tevildo (talk) 07:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]