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[edit]Why was Pelé not selected for the England vs Rest-of-the-World game?
[edit]Does anyone know why Pelé was not part of the Rest-of-the-World team in the 1963 England v Rest of the World football match? I know he injured himself during the 1962 FIFA World Cup but surely that can't be the reason as that was more than a year before. Did he get injured again in the meantime? Or what? Basemetal 10:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/news/a5057/england-vs-the-rest-of-the-world-50-years-on/ says: "Pelé was unable to make it, although invited [his club Santos declined Fifa’s invitation]". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2455519/The-day-England-real-world-beaters-How-Sir-Alf-Ramseys-heroes-beat-Alfredo-di-Stefano-Co.html says he was injured. Some sources say he actually played the match, e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/England-Rest-World-1963-DVD/dp/B001RUQEJS, and http://www.kabrna.com/marsh/row63.htm which is linked on "Report" in our article. All links are from the Google search 1963 England "Rest of the World" Pele. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you PrimeHunter. As to whether Pelé did or did not show up I think I'll go with Esquire and Daily Mail (as does WP). As to why he didn't (my original question) we're back to square one. Esquire says Santos didn't let him and Daily Mail that he was injured. Technically those are not incompatible. Esquire just says Santos did not respond to the invitation. He might also have been injured. What would happen nowadays if a club tried, for no good reason, to prevent one of their players from taking part in an international game or competition organized by FIFA or one of the regional federations? Could they do that? Basemetal 11:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- There are FIFA regulations that govern how and when teams must release players to take part in international competitions for their national teams. These international matches take place on specified weeks only in order to limit disruptions to other competitions. A team refusing to abide could face sanctions. From Cap (sport): "FIFA rules state that any club that refuses to release a player for national team duty is barred from using the player for two matches, a rule which is intended to discourage clubs from pretending that the player is injured. However, it is a player's choice to refuse to play for or retire from his or her national team." I don't think that a match that does not feature two actual national teams, such as the 1963 match in question, would be governed by this rule nowadays, however. --Xuxl (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- Further to the above comment, FIFA International Match Calendar and the associated references are relevant for international matches. Hack (talk) 14:41, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
- There are FIFA regulations that govern how and when teams must release players to take part in international competitions for their national teams. These international matches take place on specified weeks only in order to limit disruptions to other competitions. A team refusing to abide could face sanctions. From Cap (sport): "FIFA rules state that any club that refuses to release a player for national team duty is barred from using the player for two matches, a rule which is intended to discourage clubs from pretending that the player is injured. However, it is a player's choice to refuse to play for or retire from his or her national team." I don't think that a match that does not feature two actual national teams, such as the 1963 match in question, would be governed by this rule nowadays, however. --Xuxl (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you PrimeHunter. As to whether Pelé did or did not show up I think I'll go with Esquire and Daily Mail (as does WP). As to why he didn't (my original question) we're back to square one. Esquire says Santos didn't let him and Daily Mail that he was injured. Technically those are not incompatible. Esquire just says Santos did not respond to the invitation. He might also have been injured. What would happen nowadays if a club tried, for no good reason, to prevent one of their players from taking part in an international game or competition organized by FIFA or one of the regional federations? Could they do that? Basemetal 11:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Why Portsmouth have so big money problems?
[edit]2008 Portsmouth win FA Cup then 2009 no money to pay players, have to sell players and go adminstration. What happen so they sudden owe very much money? Wikipedia Portsmouth article never say and news never say. Is they borrow money to win FA Cup like Leeds borrow money to go Champions League then earn not enough to pay back? --Curious Cat On Her Last Life (talk) 14:24, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- See The Guardian - What's gone wrong at Portsmouth? Ten reasons for the demise of a club which describes the situation in 2010. BTW the Wikipedia article in question is Portsmouth FC. Alansplodge (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! So this is answer. The club did not make enough money to pay the multimillion-pound transfer fees and high wages for the squad of star players assembled by a previous manager Harry Redknapp, who led them to the FA Cup win. The overspending was funded with loans from Alexandre "Sacha" Gaydamak, who owned the club from 2006 until the start of this season, and with bank loans. However, as the costs grew and the recession hit, the banks demanded their money back, and Gaydamak decided he could no longer afford to fund the club. --Curious Cat On Her Last Life (talk) 13:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)