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Is this FA status? --Dangherous 16:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It might not be quite ready. The lead section seems a little too short. For FA standards it needs to be a really good overview of Welsh. I'm sure more can be said about the status of Welsh, and perhaps different sub-sections about laws and usage could be made. Although the original author must have thought the language's status is important, it might be better to move this section down the page, so that we get to grips with the language itself first. The history and development section seems way too short to do justice to Welsh. You may want separate paragraphs, even sub-sections, for each stage of the language, and fully outline the literature and setting of the language in each period. A timeline would be a great addition to this section (I added something similar to Aramaic). Otherwise, da iawn! --Gareth Hughes 17:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's good. It'll need references before being ready to become featured though. I also think a section on the use of welsh in culture would be good. I know Super Furry Animals had an (international) hit with Mwng which was all Welsh. What literature is written in Welsh? Other things like that. The history section is a bit short. In addition to what Gareth said it could also cover the history of the use of Welsh as well as its development - when did it become an official language of Wales and so on. The later section on education could also possibly be merged into the history. Pob lwc (I hope that means what I think it means...) --Cherry blossom tree 16:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I actually like the numeral table very much, but if it could be condensed and floated, it'd be much better IMHO. At worst, it could be split. Circeus 21:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Generally informative, but the numerals table, for example, might as well be removed since it's already explained in prose (including the phonological notes). The "Welsh in..."-sections are also questionable. More prose, fewer lists and ditch the trivia, to put it simply. / Peter Isotalo 16:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a nitpicker of the highest order:
  • Lead should be two or three kinda meaty paragraphs long. Potential paper versions of Wikipedia will probably contain only leads, so it should be a standalone summary. See Wikipedia:Lead for guidelines.
  • Status
    • I'm with Gareth here: putting at least the history section before the current status would make more sense.
    • Paragraphs at the start of this section are short and choppy.
    • The "Welsh is very much a living language." sentence is misplaced; it should go before the stuff about how many speak it as a first language.
    • This section jumps around between where it is used and how advocacy and government policy has affected usage. I'd group everything together by those two topics to make it more coherent.
    • Pictures should be rearranged: having pictures on both the right and left nearby can lead to bad formatting for lower resolution users. Also, the way it pushes the "History" section heading over is kinda unattractive.
  • History
    • I'd list the periods in the first paragraph before going into detail on them. Either that or section the periods off and expand each.
    • Avoid using links as a way to avoid defining something that's perhaps obscure to the reader. For instance, "...used by the famous Welsh poet Dafydd ap Gwilym" is preferable to just "...used by Dafydd ap Gwilym."
    • Somewhere a link would be helpful is for the "non-conformist churches". I'm a German American, so I'm totally ignorant about this.
  • Grammar
  • Dialects
    • Needs support from linguistics sources.
  • Welsh in education - This is the third time this is talked about. Consolidate.
  • Welsh in the economy
    • The first two paragraphs say the same thing.
    • The bilingual paragraphs are incredibly choppy and repetitive.
  • Welsh in warfare - Surely there's a better place for this information.
  • See also - Some of these, such as List of Welsh principal areas by percentage Welsh language and Welsh Language Board, belong in the body of the article. Welsh Bible could be linked to from the History section, too.
  • External links - You have enough to break them up thematically
References will be a must for FA, and I'm with Cherry blossom tree that Welsh in popular culture would be a good addition so long as it's more than just a list. Well, I promised nitpicking, and hopefully I delivered. — Laura Scudder ☎ 23:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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