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List of works by Thomas Eakins

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This is an article I've been working on for a while. It's very much a work in progress (lots of stuff left to do, as well as some possible inaccuracies), but I'd like to get some other eyeballs on it and get some feedback. Raul654 (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments: I realise that this is still work in progress, so my comments are not a final opinion on the list, but I hope they will facilitate further development.

• Lead: it may be advisable to extend the present brief lead section by including background information, to provide a more substantial explanatory introduction to the list. I also understand that the opening form "This is a list of..." is generally deprecated.
• File:Thomas Eakins circa 1882 cropped.jpg: Since no author information is provided, the image can't be licensed on an "author's death plus 70 years" basis. Assuming that the 1882 date is broadly accurate, it cannot be assumed with certainty that the photographer died before 1940. Is it possible that the Amon Carter Museum can supply details for the photographer, or any information on the image's possible publication prioe to 1996?
  • I checked the source for the image in question (Bolger, p 76). It says "Circle of Eakins" which is a phrase coined by Gordon Hendricks in the 1970's to describe photographs that were taken either by Eakins himself or one of his art students. Eakins and his students shared a camera, and did not sign their work, so for the vast majority of Eakins pictures, nobody knows who took them. This effectively makes them public domain, because they cannot be copyrighted if the photographer is unknown. Raul654 (talk) 19:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• I have not checked out all the images included in the very long list. However, I have noticed a few things while examining the first dozen or so:-
  • The Map of Switzerland has no description on the image page
  • Same image: Eakins's dates should be shown since PD is claimed on a death + 70 basis (this may apply to others of the images)
  • The Map of France, Spain, Portugal, and Italy is misdescribed as a "Portrait by Thomas Eakins"
  • Peasants and Travellers Among Ruins lacks an image description
  • The formal title of the lathe picture is "Perspective of Lathe", not "...of a Lathe". Also, the image description is uninformative.
• Some general presentation points
  • It would help if (e.g. in J6) where images are on each side of the paper, this information was included in the "Notes" section of the table. This is done in some instances, not in others.
  • Why are the images 109A to 109H contained in a single line of the list, which looks odd and untidy? 106, 106A and 106B have their own lines.
  • 122 carries the note "Has a sketch of Dr. Andrews on the reverse side", but no indication as to where this sketch might be found.
    • "Reverse side" indicates that it is on the other side of the paper. As for where that sketch is located, it's in a private collection. The owner of that painting (circa the mid-1980s or earlier) is almost certainly listed in the Goodrich files, which I have cited. (I don't have a copy of that particular file in front of me). However, I wouldn't feel comfortable listing it here without talking to them first. You have to understand, a number of these paintings are in private collections, and have never been publicly reproduced in books. Getting locations and images for them is exceedingly hard. Raul654 (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I notice that numerous dates are missing, but perhaps that is part of the w-i-p?
    • I got the dates from Goodrich's 1933 monograph. Some of the entries in that catalogue included them, some did not.
• Online references require formatting and retrieval dates (but you will know this)
  • I plan to do that last (preferably with the use of a bot). Raul654 (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
• Citations in the prose sections seem haphazard; often whole paragraphs lack citations
• Three dablinks need fixing. Also, the checker tool is showing a dead link on 327, but the link appears to be working.

The list does seem like a very formidable undertaking, and if no comparable list exists elsewhere, could be a great resource for researchers in the future. Brianboulton (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

No list like this exists anywhere else (Lloyd Goodrich published a similar one in 1933, but that list is incomplete, outdated, unillustrated, etc). I intend to get it published as a monograph, and William Innes Homer has agreed to be my co-author. Raul654 (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• comments

• Have you considered splitting the list in two? As it is now it takes very long time to load on my standard pc. Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest FLC} 09:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)