Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Mario role-playing games/archive1

List of Mario role-playing games

I've listed this article for peer review because a Paper Mario good topic is well underway. Here's the current listing:

Paper Mario (series)

7 articles

Paper Mario

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

Super Paper Mario

Paper Mario: Sticker Star

Paper Mario: Color Splash

Paper Mario: The Origami King

1. Promote List of Mario role-playing games to Featured List
2. Refresh Paper Mario to meet the recent Good Article criteria
3. Refresh Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door to meet the recent Good Article criteria
4. Promote Super Paper Mario to Good Article

This is an obstacle I completely forgot about. As it says above, I'm nominating this for featured list, and this time that's a definite. I would appreciate any prose review; I know most of the release dates are missing citation, I'm still working on that. However, I'm gonna need help finding citation for those. WPVG out there, any findings would be appreciated! Thanks, Panini^🥪 20:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

^{(I remembered to put this on Template:FAC peer review sidebar to get quicker and more responses to pre-FAC peer review requests. Just wanted to put that out there.)}

• Comment: Japanese release date sources are super easy to find thanks to Famitsu's online database, which documents almost all Japanese console game releases (and some PC games as well): go to http://famitsu.com, click the search bar in the top right, select ゲーム ("games") in the drop-down menu, and search for the game's Japanese name (you can copy those from the list). Here's their entry for Paper Mario, with a release date of August 11, 2000.--Alexandra^IDV 03:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Alexandra IDV: Filled out Sticker Star, about to do Mario and Luigi; I got no results for TTYD, however. Could I just cite the entry page [1]? Panini^🥪 03:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, that is what I meant - the boxes on the right on the database entry pages feature a short description and the game's release date, genre, publisher, etc.--Alexandra^IDV 03:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

  Oh, didn't even notice that. Panini^🥪 03:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Alexandra IDV: Shouldn't Puzzle & Dragons Z + Super Mario Bros. Edition be on this list? Panini^🥪 02:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

  Probably. I'm not familiar with it aside from vaguely being aware of its existence, but if it's a Mario game and an RPG it sounds like it belongs.--Alexandra^IDV 02:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Alexandra IDV: Do you have a source that can cite the Europe release of Paper Jam? Eurogamer simply say "2019". Panini^🥪 14:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

  Finding this useful? If that's what Paper Jam refers to. GeraldWL 14:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

  Whoops, I actually mean for Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey. Panini^🥪 14:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

  Well the Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story article states January 25, 2019 as the release. Unable to find a source for that tho. GeraldWL 14:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Panini!: Here's a French RS with the European release date--Alexandra^IDV 07:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Gerald Waldo Luis

Hey there! This can be a good featured list; and I probably don't have much comments as there're not much prose.

• Mind adding alt text to images?
  • The images already have alt text. In Firefox, you can view the alt text by right-clicking and picking "View Image Info"--Alexandra^IDV 10:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Ah! I was just looking for the |alt= parameter, but missed out the actual alt parameter in this article. Never mind! GeraldWL 10:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
• Can you WP:CITEBUNDLE the citations in the lead? It makes things less cluttered and more readable.
  •  Done.
• Can you add publishers to the citations? (Is it citations or references? Citations, references, citations... cause it is a citation, but at the same time we reference it, so it is also a reference but reference may... ah nvm citation also can... um... whatever, citations)
  • Weirdly enough, I've never added publishers to the references, only the websites. When I did my FAC, they noticed inconsistencies and told me to remove them, actually. Unless if there's some list rule I don't know about
    • Well it's not a requirement, it's just something I've been a fan of recently. All on ya. GeraldWL 13:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
• "First game featuring Mario in an RPG"-- the meaning of RPG should be written with the acronym in brackets.
  •  Done.
• "A crossover between Raving Rabbids and"-- link to whatever "crossover" refers to?
  •  Done.
• Add Japan portal and Electronics portal to the portal bar?
  • I'll add Japan, but I think Electronic is too broad of a category.

I think that's all I have! Fine list overall. Anyway I opened up a second PR on Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020 video game) (yes that's how paranoid I am)-- I pinged ya but it seemed to not have reached. If you have time for that cake, feel free to put some comments. GeraldWL 07:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

• The prose has professional standards of writing? Y
• The lead is engaging and introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria? Y At first it seemed inconsistent as it seemingly jumps from one thing to another, but I got the hang of the list topic.
• Comprehensive? Y
• Good structure? Y God, it's just a list. Structure is good.
• Style? Y Sort of. I don't know all MOS; other editors may input on this.
• Stable? Y

Comments by Chipmunkdavis

Well, I certainly wouldn't have called Mario+Rabbids an rpg myself, but I suppose you learn something new every day.

• The article needs to decided exactly what it means by "series". First use is "series of platform games", which suggests it refers to a specific set of games within Mario. The second use is "The first role-playing game in the series", followed by "two primary sub-series", which both suggest all Mario RPGs form a series. The fourth use is "The Paper Mario series", which contradicts the previous terminology and goes back to the meaning of the first use, as a specific set of games. etc.

  I think I've cleared all of this.  Done.

• The writing currently implies there is an overall direction for Mario RPGs, whereas my understanding is that the various series are unrelated. It should be clearer that this list is essentially a categorization of Mario franchise games by genre, rather than a cohesive set. Possibly related to the series vocabulary mentioned above.

  The title of the article already implies that its a list of all Mario games that are RPGs, and the two sub-series are organized simply for better naviation.

• "Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi, follows conventions established in the original game" is ambiguous, as currently read "the original game" refers to "Super Mario RPG". Perhaps "in their original games" or similar.

  That's actually what I was implying, so I clarified a bit.  Done.

• The lead is inconsistent as to whether it gives dates, providing them for Super Mario RPG and for Rabbids but not for the first instalments of Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi.

   Done.

• Thinking from a general audience perspective, the lead seems to lack an explanation as to which roles are being played in these games, and to what ends. There's no explanation of the criteria determining the list for someone unfamiliar with Mario and/or RPGs/video games.

  Video game lists (and probably lists in general), cannot exceed four paragraphs, so I'm really limited on to how far I can explain details. Since I don't have any notes on the developers, publishers, etc., all that stuff is highlighted in the lead.

• An explanation would also help clarify that a game can be in multiple genres, for example Super Paper Mario is called the "First Paper Mario game to shift to the action-adventure genre", which might suggest it doesn't belong on this list.
• Similarly, the lead doesn't explain what the parts of the list mean. For example, "Release years by system" is unclear if you don't know what the term "system" means in this context.

  Looking at other video game FLs, no other articles do this, so I believe it is not necessary.

• Is there a criteria for what information gets included in the Notes sections?

  From my knowledge, no. I included anything important or different.

• Regarding the acronyms JP, EU, NA, WW, would it be better to spell them out for general audiences?

  That's just how the table works.

• The virtual console is specifically mentioned for one instance of the Wii U but not the other.

   Done.

Best, CMD (talk) 06:42, 30 January 2021 (UTC)