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Fort Concho

This here is an article about a Old West frontier fort I wrote two years ago, and took to GA about a year ago. I've listed this article for peer review because I want to proceed to FAC, and I need some fresh eyes. I've... spent several days on this. On top of all the work I've done prior. Look forward to hearin' from y'all. 🤠

Thanks, ♠Vami_IV†♠ 11:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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• Looked over this at GA, can look at PR. However, before I do, have you considered nominating at WP:MILHIST/ACR, where you may get more input. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I have not; I view MILHIST/ACR as a redundant process. If you think that would be best, though, I will respect your informed opinion as a MILHIST Coord. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
    • I mean, I'd consider it pretty comparable to Peer review with a higher chance of getting feedback quicker, though your mileage may vary. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 02:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Vami, an interesting article. I'm happy to try and give it a quick copy-editing scrub for you, if that would be useful? Hchc2009 (talk) 20:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@Hchc2009: I would appreciate it. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 00:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Will give it a shot. As ever, please feel free to revert anything that you don't think is an improvement etc. If I don't think something's clear to me, I'll leave a tag in the text with an explanation. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments from SandyGeorgia

• MOS:CAPTIONS, this caption should end in a period, and don't tell readers what to note ... Enlisted Men's Barracks 1 and 2. Note the boarded-up sally port in the center of Barracks 2 ... how about recasting to avoid the need for puncutation with ... Enlisted Men's Barracks 1 and 2 with boarded-up sally port in the center of Barracks 2
  •  Done Removed the "note" part. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
• Why is a U.S. installation written in American English using dmy instead of mdy date formatting?
  • I was unaware of region-specific dating formats; I've just always used dmy. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 02:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
    • MOS:DATETIES ... I can easily switch them by script if you like. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
      • Hm. I dislike mdy, but the MOS has spoken. Make it so. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 07:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

That's all I've got; Hog Farm might want to look at this one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:25, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

• I can take a look. I'm a bit busy in RL (accounting student during tax season), so it might be a slow-ish process. Hog Farm _Talk 00:05, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

• WP:MOSNUM, the article mentions 3,000 soldiers (with comma), but $3000 and $6000 (without comma). Use the comma to be consistent. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done Good catch! –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

HF

• "But, with the discovery of gold in California in 1849" - the discovery occurred in early 1848, I believe
  •  Fixed Ah, yup. Oops. My source just said that folk started crossing West Texas in 1849 because of the gold rush. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "This phase of frontier history ended three years later with the beginning of the American Civil War," - Confused here. Evidently, there's an 1858 event you're referring to, but it isn't mentioned
  •  Fixed This is an edit scar; turns out that 1858 date was the establishment of the Butterfield-Overland Route. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• " that resulted in Cram's having Ficklin arrested." - don't think you need the apostrophe
  •  Removed –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "In 1875, the parade ground was cleared and a " - link parade ground. First appearance in the body, and it's a bit of a jargon term
  •  Done –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "He moved the regimental headquarters to Fort Richardson a month later" - Is Fort Richardson (Texas) the correct team?
  • Yes; it's already linked in "Construction", though. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• " McLaughlen set out again with two companies of the 4th Cavalry and one of the 11th Infantry and confirmed Wilson's report" - Who is McLaughlen
  •  Fixed Another edit scar; Capt. Napoleon B McLaughlen, 4th US Cavalry. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "After Mackenzie and Hatch met with General Christopher C. Augur" - What was Augur's official rank? General wasn't an exact title in the US Army at this point
  •  Added Brigadier Gen. My existing sources didn't have it, but TSHA Online did. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• Ditto with Sheridan later
  •  Added As with Augur, so with Sheridan. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• Link Fort Sill
  •  Done –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "ordered five expeditionary forces of more than 3,000 soldiers into the South Plains" - 3000 total or 3000 each?
  •  Done Each. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• " Stockton, Fort Davis, Quitman, and Clark, " - Would Fort Clark (Texas) be the right link
  •  Added Yup. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "Interested locals appealed in vain to the federal government to make Fort Concho a permanent installation" - Why did they want it to be a permanent installation?
  •  Removed My sources do not say. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "one-story dormitories with attached kitchen and mess hall to the north of each barrack." - "with an"
  •  Done –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• "About 50 feet (15 m) of the headquarters building is the residence of Oscar Ruffini" - I find the use of is to be odd here, as Ruffini has been dead for over 60 years
  • I've added "former". –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• Ref 54 I think the publisher should be San Angelo Standard-Times.
  •  Done –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• TSAL date from the infobox doesn't seem to have a citation. Also, what's TSAL?
  •  Added –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• The NRHP listing never seems to be directly mentioned in the article body
  •  Added –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
• I'm not an image reviewer myself, but I have a bit of an idea on what to expect from a FAC image review. Expect there to be a request for the cattle trails map to have a more specific source than just the NPS
  •  Removed I looked into this and found no indication that the map was from the NPS (a Google search for it turned up nothing). –♠Vami_IV†♠ 23:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

That's my comments. Hog Farm _Talk 01:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)