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Entre a Mi Mundo

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I've listed this article for peer review because I just expanded the article and would like to see it be a GA, though in the near future would like it to be a FA article

Thanks, Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 23:44, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this article. It has many of the same issues I have seen in previous Selena articles - poorly written and confusing or even contradictory in spots. Here are some suggestions for improvement.

I'll try and get someone to copy-edit the article.

• A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. There are many FAs on albums which seem as if they would be good models.
• I am just going to read and start pointing out problems. I will not mention every grammatical problem as there are too many - this needs a copyedit. Here goes.
• I would include the date or at least year of its re-release in the lead
• Needs to be consistent in the little details - is it "Chris Pérez" or just "Chris Perez"? Both are used
• Production and development focuses mostly on her relation with and marriage to Chris Pérez, but it makes it sound as if the whole album was completed after she eloped After Selena had eloped, she decided to release a more Tejano and Mexican music-influenced album sticking to her roots.[2] This seems very unlikley as she eloped on April 2 and the album was released on May 6, just over a month later, which hardly seems enough time to write songs, record them, do post production, and manufacture the albums.

According to Selena herself (while being interviewed about the production differences of the crossover album and her Spanish albums) she stated that it usually takes only 2-3 months to finish her Spanish albums (the crossover took more than 2 years and she only recorded six songs before being killed) the source is in the Patoski book (which User:Secret has as well, just in case you don't WP:AGF with me). "Entre a mi mundo" took a more longer route because of Selena's father threatening her that he will disband the group if she disregarded him and kept seeing Perez. So while this was going on, the production of the album was already a go, let alone her first number one single "Buenos Amigos" became increasingly popular (1991-92 period), which made her tour even longer now that she was booked in South America for the first time. So adding all of this, production of the album must have began (can't find a source to give me ANY information on when production began, besides a year) prob between late-February and mid-March 1992 (but since I don't have a source, I won't add what I think).

• The infobox says the album was recorded into 1993, after it was released???

lolz minor mistake my good friend :-)

• The article is not consistent and contradicts itself in several places. For example the SIngles sections says "La carcacha", released as the first promotional single, was written and produced by A.B. Quintanilla III, Pete Astudillo and Bebu Silvetti. but the Track listing table only lists Quintanilla III, Astudillo as writers, and then Silvetti is not listed in the Songwriters section after this in Personnel.

The key word here is "... was written and produced by ..." the only writers of the song are Quintanilla III and Astudillo, Silvetti is the producer. Should I use a semi-colon so no one would be confused?

The problem is that almost anybody would read "written and produced by A, B, and C" as meaning all three of them both wrote and produced the song. If you mean A and B wrote it, and A, B, and C produced it, then you say something like "The song was written by A and B, who produced it with C." Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

• Similarly, the Track listing table only lists four song writers, with three more listed in the 20 Years of Music version section. Then Personnel lists 12 songwriters, which does not include the three in the 20 Years of Music version, and eight of which are not listed in the Track listing section.
• Watch WP:OVERLINKing - Pete Astudillo is linked three times in the body of the article, for example.
• The MOS also says to use someone's last name only after introducing them with their full name (if there are not two or more people with the same last name)
• Release section is just a mess - all sorts of contradictory sentences. For example the article says both Entre a mi mundo sold 200,000 copies in Mexico.[39] and In Mexico, Entre a mi mundo was certified triple gold, representing shipments of 300,000 copies.[45]
• Or the same Release section says By July 1995, Entre a mi mundo had sold 1,000,000 copies,[42] and was certified platinum.[43] but the same section later says it sold 600,000 copies and the Charts and certifications table also says nothing of sales of a million.

Well according to the sources that's what they indicate, but I only used the RIAA as the RS at the end of the day (I think books over exaggerate the sales; though if there aren't any other source to prove it wrong, I would add it; if I didn't wouldn't it be POVish?)

I think it is our duty to go with the most reliable sources we can find. If the RIAA says it, I believe it. I would either not mention the 1 million figure or perhaps put it in a footnote. If a source said someone won a gold medal at the Olympics but there was nothing in the Olympics official website or in Sports Illustrated on that person doing this, I know which sources I would believe and use in the article. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

• There is no way this is ready for GA let alone FAC.
• Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the article. I know I'm not that good, but no one is perfect either; I read your comment to my unblocker and I did respond. BTW, I'm glad that you say things like I'm not a good writer (not joking), because those comments makes me brainstorm in proposing new projects that could help users like me achieve FA status (about to publish one today). Happy holidays from my family to yours and also best :-) Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 16:55, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

While I like you as a person, I have serious doubts about the value of your edits here and will be commenting on your userpage. I also wish you and yours the best for the holidays and new year. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)