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June 26

Article Submission Guidelines

Hello Sir/mam.

Myself John Sena, Basically i am a content writer. I have posted one article on my page but after three days somebody has removed that content. That guy says this content is for promotaional purpose. But It's not true. So please tell me how should create a page.

i will happy to help wikipedia in proving the contents. i hope you understood my problem.

Thanks John Sena — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsena007 (talk • contribs) 06:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we understand your problem. Your problem is that you are here to promote a business, as you did with this edit, and that is not what Wikipedia is for. You are not going to succeed. I advise you to give up. Maproom (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

We're all content writers. You should not be writing about your own business, or a business you are working for. That presents a clear conflict of interest. Maproom explained it perfectly. I'm only chiming in so that it's clear to you that promotion of any kind is unacceptable in the Wikipedia community. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You not only promoted your business on your own page but also vandalised existing articles by adding spam links, e.g., [1] [2] [3], and several other edits. You are warned that if you continue in this way, your account will be permanently blocked from Wikipedia. kashmiri ^TALK 09:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Help to check and finish the creation of a new template

I am still trying to create a new template for WikiProject Biology, the page is Template:Subtitle/Taxon. One user help me a lot but still have some problems when trying to edit the subtitles, it does not appear like in the exemple. It's small details for sure just a question of brace or something like that!! If an expert could have a look on it to finish this nice template, please. Thanks in advance for your contribution. Bastaco (talk) 09:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

This is my last message on the Help desk on the 24th of june:

I'm trying to create As I am not an expert in this kind of creation on wiki, could anybody help me to make it works. Thanks for your help Bastaco (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Mdann52 (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

@Bastaco:  Done hopefully. Mdann52 (talk) 12:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann52: Great job, thank you for your help!! Just one detail about the presentation: still not have the comma between the terms in the subtitle. Bastaco (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

@Bastaco: as far as I can see, at User:Mdann52/gffdx (a random test page), everything appears as it seems. Can you link me to where it appears incorrectly? purging your cache may also help. Mdann52 (talk) 10:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann52: Thanks for your help, you were right about the fact of purging my page lol Bastaco (talk) 11:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Glenn Melvyn page

Glenn Melvyn

Glenn Melvyn's daughter Janine Mackinlay would like to have a web page on this site with an information page about her father. Glenn Melvyn was a British actor who is credited on IMDb http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0578542/#Actor

A hugely influential but largely unknown writer and actor, he is also quoted in Ronnie Barkers autobiography “Ronnie Barker – The Authorised Biography” by Bob McCabe, it describes the early meeting of Glenn and Ronnie. “A quick trawl through The Stage soon secured some stage management work at Frank Fortescue’s Famous Players, a rep company based in Bramhall, Cheshire. It was here that Barker was to meet one of the most influential men in his career. Glenn Melvyn was the company’s leading man and the man who Barker claims ‘was to teach me everything I ever learned about comedy’. Glenn also taught Ronnie how to stutter and later in his career, Ronnie Barker would base his character Albert Awkright in “Open All Hours” on Glenn’s character Wally Binns from “The Love Match” and “Love and Kisses”. They went on to write many scripts together and when presented with the BAFTA lifetime achievement award in 2007, Ronnie mentioned Glenn at the start of his acceptance speech, with a credit for giving him his first break and teaching him how to stutter.

I am helping to pur the page together but can't quite get to grips with how the references and links work, so the page gets removed as being unvalidated.

Any help please. Thanks Keith on behalf of Janine (and Glenn) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glennmelvyn (talk • contribs) 09:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that neither you nor Janine are advised to write this article, because your WP:conflict of interest will make it difficult for you to write in the neutral way required. If, after reading the link I gave, you decide to try, then I advise reading WP:your first article for advice on how to go about it. --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I've added a {{reflist}} template to make the references work properly, but I'm afraid with the citations provided, the article won't be acceptable for Wikipedia. IMDb is not considered a reliable source, and neither are personal websites. McCabe's biography of Barker, if it contains some more information about Melvyn, would be a suitable source, but you'll need to locate and cite multiple, reliable, independent sources in order to show that Melvyn meets the basic notability requirements. If, as you say, he is "largely unknown", then it may not be possible to have an article about him here. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

With the greatest respect to Janine and her late father, please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a memorial. Also be clear that you understand that any article published about Glenn Melvyn could be edited by any other other user at any time; an article's creator has no editorial control over the content. More help with referencing can be found at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. - Karenjc 13:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Per our usual practice I have moved the user page content to a subpage at User:Glennmelvyn/Glenn Melvyn.--ukexpat (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Article Rejection

Hi,

I'm writing an article on a business, Interim Partners, and my article was rejected because of 'bias'. I don't see how it is biased at all - I made sure to use facts, barely any adjectives and no promotion.

One of Interim Partners' competitors, Michael Page, has a Wikipedia page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Michael_Page_International. I closely followed pages of Interim Partners' competitors to ensure that I made a correct Wikipedia page. In my opinion, Interim Partners' Wikipedia page is unbiased, and it is certainly a lot less biased than the Wikipedia page that Michael Page have.

I would appreciate it if you could take a second look at the Interim Partners article I am creating (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:AimeeTreasure/sandbox) and either elaborate on how exactly the page is biased or allow me to publish the page.

I look forward to your reply.

Many thanks,

Aimée Treasure

The reason your article was declined can be seen in the edit history - Declining submission: submission is written like an advertisement [4]. Please read WP:CORP. You need to establish the company's notability in the article. At the moment your draft fails to do that and sections such as Corporate and Social Responsibility and Accreditation etc. make the draft look more like an advertisement for the company than an encyclopaedic article. As a comparison with the article you linked above (Michael_Page_International) you'll see that in the lead of that article basic notability is established with the phrase is a constituent of the FTSE 250 Index. CaptRik (talk) 12:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've seen worse, to be honest - the text of the article needs a bit of tweaking, but generally isn't too bad. Problem is though, that none of the claims therein are verified by reliable sources, which is pretty much a deal-breaker for Wikipedia. The only source provided (the Sunday Times list) doesn't actually mention Interim Partners at all, and there's absolutely nothing in the page to suggest that the company meets the basic inclusion requirements for companies. Before you even start addressing any issues of bias, you need to find multiple, reliable, independent sources which write about Interim Partners in some level of detail, and which verify all of the information in your draft article. Then we can talk about any minor language fixes that need doing. Without sources, the article isn't going to last long even if it's the most neutrally-phrased page on the project. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict x2) Other issues i noticed:

• Your lede does not state very well what Interim Partners is. A lede paragraph should sum up informatively what the article is about and in an unbiased manner. See WP:Lede.
• You appear to have proof of notability in how the company ranks, but nothing outside of that from other sources (Similar to what CaptRik said). See WP:Notable.
• Your "Growth and Development" section contains links to other sites, which should not be there. Links to other sites should be either citations or fit into an External Links section at the bottom of the article (if appropriate).

Other than that i'd say you haven't done too bad considering your Conflict of interest, but you do need to rewrite it a bit more for an encyclopaedia, than an advertisement.

These are just issues i noticed after a quick glance. Good luck ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Article: Boris Bidjan Saberi

Hello,

I am writing regarding my article for 'Boris Bidjan Saberi' which was deleted. Can you please guide me as to how I can retrieve that article to rework it to better fit the community guidelines? I do not have the original content any longer and retrieving that content would really help me a lot.

Thanks in advance.

Zakirmaq — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakirmaq (talk • contribs) 12:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

There's not a lot there that could be salvaged, to be perfectly honest, but I'll email you a copy of the deleted article anyway. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Biased article - doesn't reflect the world we live in

The page "Masturbation", which I cannot edit myself, is biased and the people who are opposing my changes, I believe do not share their opinions with the majority of Wikipedia writers/readers. I requested outside opinions but this request was removed, but I don't know why. So I ask people to look at the page, even if you wouldn't normally read such a page, and see how biased it is, and ask yourselves "does this bullsh*t really reflect the world I live in?" and then look on the discussion page to see my proposed changes, which are being opposed by a minority of people with faulty logic. There is something very wrong going on here.

selected quote:

" it is considered a normal part of healthy life today" with no reference. Opinion, and they will not remove it.

-- No it is not. I do not believe it is entirely socially acceptable in any society, (apart from a few microcultural examples e.g. certain indigenous tribes) and in many conservative/religious societies (e.g. Islamic countries, many rural areas across the world) it is not acceptable at all. They are confusing the views of science and medicine (which does not 100% say it is fine, hence the use of terms like "excessive masturbation", "compulsive masturbation" in medical and psychological publications) with the views of society. I proposed then to split these views, but it was again opposed. They will not even allow mention that masturbation is illegal in public in most countries, apparently that is "not on topic". In some countries, you would face the death penalty for masturbating in public. The article talkes about events (presumably in Western cosmopolitan settings) where a group of perverted people are allowed to masturbate as part of a festival/event, called a "Masturbate-a-thon". I point out that these people would be stoned to death very quickly if they tried that perversion in many countries. Let's have a page that is not biased, is not a "how -to- masturbate" manual, and includes other balanced views.

-- The requests I made to change the article and make it less biased were opposed by quoting some Wikipedia rules. I studied these rules in detail and in every case they are falsely applied to this scenario. I also found out that according to these rules, many, many issues involving content of the page which supports the overall biased view. The rules are being selectively applied by a minority to maintain a biased page which does not, I believe represent the views of all.

-- I am very disillusioned by this experience. I used to read Wikipedia with interest and admiration, but now everything I see will be suspect in my eyes. How do I know it is not the same scenario-- biased opinion rather than reality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.25 (talk) 12:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I see you have discussed this on the article's talk page, which is the first step of Wikipedia's dispute resolution process. This process page will tell you how to proceed when you cannot achieve consensus. --ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Dissolving Question

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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If I can edit and contribute to Wikipedia, what can Wikipedia do for me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Svruim Lhmer (talk • contribs) 13:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

"Ask not what Wikipedia can do for you; ask what you can do for Wikipedia" — Richard BB 13:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Technological aspects of Wikipedia

I am interested in the techquatical aspects in Wikipedia, what can I do about this ? Sauleutaysen (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Is this Technoquat? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding my Wiki Page

I'm a new user here, and this is probably a dumb question, but my article keeps getting rejected. I am a professional drummer, and have played on several major label recordings over the past 5 years including Cee-Lo, Gnarls Barkley, and others. I added my own "user" page to wikipedia and then linked to it from Cee-Lo's page, for instance. (Because my name already exists on his page, it just hadn't been linked to anywhere).

Can anyone tell me if this is best/right way to add myself to Wikipedia? Why does it keep getting rejected?

Pages i've mentioned: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Bradhagen http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Bright_Lights_Bigger_City http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/The_Lady_Killer_(album)

Thanks for your help!

Bradhagen (talk) 14:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid there is no best way to add yourself to Wikipedia, because you are strongly discouraged from ever doing so: see WP:autobiography for more information. On your user page User:Bradhagen you are welcome to share as much or as little about yourself as a Wikipedia editor that you wish to, but you should not attempt to write an article about yourself there or anywhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 14:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, for starters you are generally encouraged not to create an article about yourself due to Conflict Of Interest. You sound Notable enough, but your article would need citations from reliable sources to verify the content is true. WP:BIO is also a useful place for information, and i expect you to at least read WP:Your first article for more advice in this area. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) - Creating a page about yourself is discouraged and will most likely be deleted. The everyday rule of thumb in this situation is If a person, company or group meets the nobility guidelines someone else will write about that subject. Please review Advice for editors who may have a conflict of interest. Cheers, Mlpearc (powwow) 15:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to pile on the bad news, but I've removed the link that you added to Bright Lights Bigger City. We don't allow wikilinks to go from an article to a user page, except in very rare circumstances. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The link didn't go to userspace, it was a red link to where that article would eventually be moved to (Bradley Hagen). See WP:Red link for basic information. Do you want to revert yourself for what was an unhelpful removal of a single red link or should i? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

...Actually i think i'm defending something else. I wikilinked Brad Hagen at The Lady Killer (album). Apologies John, i thought that last post was to me. The timezone differences are messing my replies up (See conversation below for context). ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Yes, I didn't (and wouldn't) touch your edit. Personally I tend to be slow in creating red links to people whose notability I'm unsure of, but it's a matter of individual taste, I think. And I could have been clearer, I guess, by using {{replyto}}; I missed the possibility of ambiguity in who my comment was directed to. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm using GMT so Wikipedia is showing everything one hour off, which is causing me issues. I've already warned someone for vandalism after someone else already did. You would think Wikipedia would have something as simple as time zones sorted before pursuing notifications and cosmetic changes... Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Why has my time zone changed?

For some reason i am now seeing edits i make appear 1 hour behind. I am still set to London time but it is displaying my edits 1 hour behind. This must be a bug as it did not do this recently. Anyone know more? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses UTC - due to it being BST atm, all edits appear 1 hour behind - they will go in sync when you go back to GMT. Mdann52 (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty ignorant of things like this to be honest. I do not know anything about UTC or BST at all. Do you know when things will go back to "normal" or do i have to do something to fix it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You can set your time zone at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-datetime. It doesn't affect times in signatures but for those you can try "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Or you can wait until 27 October, when British Summer Time ends, and the UK goes back to Greenwich Mean Time. For almost all practical purposes GMT = UTC, so you are on UTC during the winter, but an hour ahead during the summer. Wikipedia uses UTC, as the local dates and times of editors around the world can be up to 26 hours apart (26, not 24, see List of UTC time offsets for the explanation) - Arjayay (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

My time zone is set and it displays the right time. But when i sign i see everything 1 hour behind and it's irritating as it makes following posts a little more difficult (for a dyslexic). Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:40, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

New editor help?

I am not a new editor, and I am also not good at talking to individuals on their talk page. However, I frequently see new editors bombarded with "canned" messages that take the "bombarder" seconds to post, but must totally discourage the new editor. Any advice to such new editors? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The intention of these canned messages is not to discourage the newcomer. However I agree that it is the likely effect. My advice to new editors is to start very cautiously, fixing typos and suchlike until they feel more confident, so as not to attract the attention of the people who post these patronising messages. Maproom (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Ermm, read those messages? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Everyone should just take WP:DTA to heart.—Kww(talk) 17:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Update organization logo

I need to update an outdated logo on this page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:Camh_logo_one.png#filelinks but it says that I cannot update or override the file. What is the process for updating logos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAMH Public Affairs (talk • contribs) 16:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

It requires an autoconfirmed account. You can make a request at Wikipedia:Files for upload but if you post a link to the current logo here then we can probably do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Article re: operation reentry Miami beach fl

My name is Maurice Soniat, And having come across this article I am a bit concerned with the reference to my involvement with Scientology. Please remove this reference. You can contact me at ph:(Redacted) Thank You, Maurice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.2.92 (talk) 17:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the Scientology reference as a BLP violation as it has no source.--ukexpat (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Four men -1st Paratroop Arnhem -

How can I obtain a high res image of this photograph? my Great Grandfather is in it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.111.158 (talk) 20:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You're referring to File:Four men of the 1st Paratroop Battalion.jpg, yes? (It currently appears in four different Wikipedia articles.)

If you click on that picture (in any article), or on the link, you'll go to here, and you can see the link for full-size version of the photo. Click on that, and they you can download it using your browser (typically, right-click, "Save image as"). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

For this particular image you may be able to obtain a higher-resolution version via the Imperial War Museum shop, searching for their catalogue number BU 1167 as shown on the image file page. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The uploader got it from http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205192043 where it says you can buy a print. Their highest online resolution http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/166/media-166952/large.jpg?action=d&cat=photographs is the exact file uploaded here. I don't know whether any of the print versions have higher quality. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

Hi, The English wp version of Flag and coat of arms of Pennsylvania is coupled on Wikidata to Q3702043 with the Spanish and Italian versions, while all of the other language wikipedia articles are coupled to Q18983. I have little (or indeed no) understanding of how wikidata works, so how can the two be combined into one so that all of the interlanguage links show up correctly on all the articles (presumably that's what "right" would look like)? Thanks danno_uk 22:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm no expert on Wikidata conflicts but the challenge with wikidata:Q18983 and wikidata:Q3702043 is that Spanish and Italian have separate articles about the Flag of Pennsylvania and the Coat of arms of Pennsylvania, so there has to be separate Wikidata entries for the flag and for the coat of arms. The English article covers both. All the other languages appear to only have an article about the flag, at least judged by the article title – I haven't examined whether the articles also mention the coat of arms. I don't know whether there is a better solution than choosing one of the two for the English article. It's currently under Coat of arms. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that makes some sense. Well done for spotting that. The query came about because another editor deleted the old style interlanguage list and I reinstated it because otherwise all that was left were It and Es links. I guess until some more permanent resolution is reached that's how it should stay. Thanks again. danno_uk 23:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if the two items in Wikidata are really the same, then they can be merged, and there's a gadget available in Wikidata for doing the merge. But if they are not quite the same (for example, one is a subset of the other) then they must be separate in Wikidata.

In fact, in this case it's even more complicated, because the Spanish and Italian articles are the coat of arms, most of the articles are to the flag, and only the English appears to be both, so I've created a third item flag and coat of arms of Pennsylvania, and made that to link to the English article. Unfortunately, though this is right, it is even more unhelpful for the purpose of interlanguage links. What I have done is to link these three together in Wikidata with the property "subclass of", but I don't think there is any way that that can be reflected in the interlanguage links. --ColinFine (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Addition: Help:Interlanguage links explains that you can still use the old-fashioned direct link ("local links") to override the Wikidata ones. --ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Brewery

I tried to start a new entry for a local small town brewery called "The Damascus Brewery" and it does not show up. The help desk people in the chat room for wikipedia said that they could see it and that it was all set to be reviewed but now I don't see it as ever being created, denied, or anything. Does its entry still exist? Do I need to go through the process of writing the article again? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamthefirecracker (talk • contribs) 22:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm looking into it, Adamthefirecracker. Charmlet (talk) 23:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You can see your contributions here. Your only contribution under this account is to the Help Desk. Have you edited under any other accounts? Charmlet (talk) 23:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The page in question is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Damascus Brewery.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Hey Adam, you wouldn't happen to be the Adam Woodson mentioned in the article, would you? If so, I'd like to dissuade you from editing further, because you could have a conflict of interest. Wikipedia isn't a vanity site or the Yellow Pages. If the brewery is notable, then it should have coverage from sources independent of itself. If it's (as you said) just a "local small town brewery", it's possible that it isn't notable enough for inclusion. If you can find reliable sources that establish its notability, then the article could pass. Until then, it'll just keep getting deleted for being spam. And if you're not the same Adam, ignore everything I just said, except for the parts about bringing in reliable sources independent of the subject. We still need that. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Where did my article go

I submitted an article for publication, it got rejected and deleted. Now nothing is in my sandbox, and I can't find my source file anywhere. I'd like to edit the page and try again, but I don't want to start from scratch.

-James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jprogers21 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I asked an administrator to view the deleted contributions for you. Your sandbox was deleted under the speedy deletion criteria as a blatant hoax. If you have an explanation for it, feel free to explain here and an admin can undelete it if it merits it. Charmlet (talk) 23:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) User:Jprogers21/sandbox was appropriately deleted per WP:CSD#G3 as a blatant hoax. The alleged topic has zero Google hits. Please don't waste our time with made up things. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)