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December 24

Rafael Campo, president of El Salvador

To whom this may concern, I have made some changes, actually additions to your articles in English and Spanish concerning Rafael Campo, a former president of El Salvador. I have also added some information on your Spanish-language article for José Campo Pérez.

The English language article for Rafael Campo says that there are some problems (concerning a lack of references). I have a lot of material, some published works about Campo. Is it possible for someone to send me the information of what exactly you want referenced? I can then respond in an e-mail where the information can be found. I have already for example added sources to the bibliography for the article on José Campo Pérez, however it did not come out exactly as it should have.

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. Sincerely,

JaimeCCC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.8.249 (talk) 01:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Our policy is essentially that every statement that is challenged, or likely to be challenged needs to be supported by a citation/footnote to a reliably published source.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:18, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Chef David Laris

To whom it may concern,

I have tried to submit an entry on Wikipedia - but my entry has been deleted twice even though I have cross referenced as much as I can with the article. I read your intro on writing an article and format and syle to follow but my I a not sure why the entry keeps getting deleted. MY most recent one is being reviewed - but can we informed why it gets deleted? Or is there someone you can refer me too where i can give all my content and they can do a write up for me?

Link to the article:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Chef_David_Laris

Thanks,

SD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefcachet (talk • contribs) 06:22, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have two drafts awaiting review: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Laris and Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/Chef David Laris. This could cause confusion, and I would suggest that you withdraw one of the requests, probably the latter (as Chef David Laris would not be a normal title for an article). When an AFC draft is reviewed, the results of the review will be placed on that page, so make sure that you've got the AFC draft on your watchlist. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:44, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

how to add a person to wikipedia?

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithnprayer (talk • contribs) 06:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Not like this: [1]. Wikipedia in an encyclopedia, and only has articles on notable subjects. In particular, articles on people have to demonstrate by citing third-party reliable sources that they meet the relevant notability guidelines. Wikipedia isn't Facebook. AndyTheGrump (talk)

Unknown complaint

While reading one of your pages I noticed at the top of the page a red message. On opening the message I saw a number with the (User talk:121.219.234.224), followed by a complaint about something I was supposed to have changed to "Jesse". I have never made a change to any article and I don't know a Jesse. Please sort this out thank you. I am not a part of your organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.234.224 (talk) 07:53, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

It's because you're using an IP to edit. The message in question is from 2009, and the IP hasn't been used since, hence you're the first person to see the message alert at the top of the page.

You can avoid such mistaken identity by registering an account - or if you don't want to register, you can just ignore it - given that in your case you were browsing, not editing Wikipedia. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

There should have been a message (as shown at MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext) at the foot of the IP's user talk page to explain the situation. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Overlinking

Is it considered excessive linking if something that is linked in the lede is then also linked on its first use in the article proper? Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:24, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily. See Wikipedia:Overlink#What generally should not be linked, which says Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. - Karenjc (talk) 09:07, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

THEOREALISM

My name is Showami Adeola, a Nigerian living in Abuja, FCT. I have my own religious believe that I call The or realism and I am a Theorealist. I will like to know how to create my own page that can at any time be accessed by my followers and anybody that wants to know more about my way of life and guiding principles. Thanks and best regards. Showami Adeola. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theorealist (talk • contribs) 08:40, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Please don't do it. Wikipedia is not here to promote your new philosophy or religion and you have a conflict of interest which makes you the wrong person to write such an article. If your religion becomes notable and gets significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, then someone else may eventually write an article about it here. -Karenjc (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

A Wikipedia Theorealist article would be a summary of coverage about Theorealist in reliable sources that are independent of Theorealist and Showami Adeola. If you have such a summary, you can post a request at Wikipedia:Articles for creation or if you know of independent, reliable sources for Theorealist but would like someone else to write the article, you can post a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles or at my talk page User talk:Jreferee. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

permission for using few photographs from your site

Dear Sir, I am writing a treatise on the Animals and Plants mentioned in Quran/Bible.In this endeavor your site has been of much help to me and I respect your services in dissemination of knowledge at global level. May I request you to kindly allow me to use some photographs(of a few plant and animal species) from your site for their incorporation in the text of the publication.I assure you that I shall mention the source of all the photographs borrowed from your site on the bottom line of the figures.The list of the photographs to be used shall be submitted in case you accede to my request.

                                         Sincerely Yours
                                         N A Zeerak,Professor Genetics & Plant Breeding
                                         SKUAST-Kashmir,Shalimar(J&K)India  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.231.177 (talk) 09:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC) 

If you would like to use Wikipedia content in your own work, please see Reusers' rights and obligations and Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

On Wikipedia:Good article nominations

What are the numbers next to the article reviews? for example, I see numbers like "(Reviews: 371)" next to United Nations and yet there's no GA page created for that, and page view stats rank in the 10000s since the nomination on Dec 4 took place, so it doesn't seem to be tied to number of reviewers or readers. TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 12:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey TeleComNasSprVen. That number always precedes a person's user name and indicates the number of GA reviews the nominator of the article is credited with, if any. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Comments to the nominations also show the review count of the commenter. The numbers are also listed at User:GA bot/Stats. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:33, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

(NOTE - the "371" appears on the Wikipedia:Good article nominations page in the 6th nomination under Politics and government in the text "6. United Nations (edit | talk | history | protect | links | watch | logs | page views (90d)) (start review) (Reviews: 371) Khazar2 (talk) 13:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)) -- Jreferee (talk) 15:31, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Experienced editor help?

I'm about to leave for the holiday, so I don't have time to get into this. Could someone look into the contribs of Hoyas2424 (talk · contribs)? Both here and on Commons. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 14:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

the copyright images from pornographic films have been nominated for deletion. editor warned. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:01, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 22:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Invocation of NFCC Rule 3/3b

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello, I am having an issue over a video file which has been nominated for deletion. The argument against it is that 3b says video should be replaced with an image. Except 3B does not say this, it says that low bit rate should be used, there is no rule in NFCC, no video guideline or policy or anything else that says replacing a reasonable and justified NFC video file with a NFC still image is required, suggested, necessary or anything else. But the problem I am having is that the people invoking it for this are the people RUNNING the NFC Review page, and when confronted with the fact 3b doesn't say what they think it does, they ignore that and say "It fails 3B, use a NFC screenshot instead". I am very frustrated and honestly I feel pretty bullied because I am explaining and explaining this to them and they are ignoring me blatantly, which wouldn't matter too much except the file is on the line. Is there a rule or guideline that justifies them anywhere? They cannot offer it and I am struggling here. Thanks for reading. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 15:32, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

3b says "minimal extent of use". That would certainly seem to me to imply that a still should be used rather than a video if it does the job adequately (I've not looked at the specific case). --ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

"Minimal extent of use. An entire work is not used if a portion will suffice. Low- rather than high-resolution/fidelity/bit rate is used (especially where the original could be used for deliberate copyright infringement). This rule also applies to the copy in the File: namespace." It doesn't say anything like that though, it specifically has bit rate in the guideline, the part after the period says that the minimal amount of the source work is used. There is nothing there that supports one item over another. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 15:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

There is nobody who "runs" anything here (except maybe the ArbCom page). Wikipedia runs by a consensus of the editors, and it appears that your interpretation does not have the consensus and the other interpretation does. You could start an Request for Comment to see if the consensus at the page is truly that of the wider community or just the people currently involved in the discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

But if the guideline says that black is white and consensus says otherwise, the guideline is still in place. The guideline is clearly not specific or even abstract about using one NFC over another. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 16:57, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

• Note - The WP:NFCC#3b based FfD is for File:Batman Arkham Origins Gameplay.ogv as used in Batman: Arkham Origins and is at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 December 21. -- Jreferee (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Why, when I'm here specifically asking about the validity of the claim of use for 3b, did you feel it was appropriate to both seek out the discussion and then involve yourself in it in ignorance of the points raised here? When did Wikipedians lose common sense? DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 18:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I added above links to the RfD to give context to your original Help Desk request to others view the request. The Help Desk can point to where you can address in detail the validity of the claim of use for 3b, such as at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content, Wikipedia:Requests for comment, and Wikipedia:Village pump, but is not a place to resolve such issues. I iVoted at the RfD because I thought I could add perspective to the discussion. Editors having different views does not mean that one side has lost common sense. It just means they have different view. In the end, a closer of a discussion looks at policy/guideline/standard and the strength of arguments made in view of that policy rather than head count. An argument citing a scholarly book that discusses in depth a video clip, where that scholarly book discussion is summarized in the Wikipedia article, could justify using a video clip in Wikipedia under WP:NFCC#3b. A Wikipedian's view that an NFCC image or video should or should not be used in a particular article would not be a representative survey of the relevant literature. It instead would be part of a representative survey of Wikipedians about a topic, which is not a strong argument ground in policy/guideline/standard to include/exclude content from a Wikipedia article. -- Jreferee (talk) 18:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

You seem to think that not agreeing with me means that my reasoning is a Wikipedians view (which I'm reading as an invalid view the way you use it in context), when everything in the video is discussed by notable third parties. If you disagree that is up to you, but deliberately citing 3b and using the screenshot argument when it doesn't say that anywhere in 3, and argues in fact in favor of violating 3 by requiring multiple NFCC images, is bordering on being deliberately disruptive. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 18:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Redirect

On the 19th I submitted an entry to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects (diff). This seemed like a simple no-brainer; however, my periodic check on status revealed no action taken (and many subsequent entries cleared). Well, today it seems to have vanished without a trace, although its ghost can be found in this search result. -- Anyway, it would be appreciated if one of Santa's elves would create a redirect for: Baron Alfred von Drachstedt → Alfred Nourney (the article explains why).
~Thanks, ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 20:50, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Done. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 21:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! (are you the real "The Stig")? ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

No as to The Stig. See instead Stigmatella aurantiaca. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey man! You accusing me of conflict of interest in editing Stigmatella aurantiaca??? -- Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

To judge from an email that I received, it seems that at least one editor reading the above didn't realize that I was joking! I am not a member of the bacterial species Stigmatella aurantiaca, nor am I in the pay of these microorganisms. To paraphrase Jessica Rabbit, I'm not a prokaryote, I've only named myself one. Clearly, there is no possible COI. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:38, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, maybe the emailer was joking in being so serious??? Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:38, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

page tab

Hi, I am using the monobook skin and I find the new "page" tab extremely annoying. I am used to seeing page history and such links readily available. I already searched in gadgets and didn't fine anything. How do I disable the page tab? -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 22:46, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I've been using Monobook for years and do not see or understand the tab you're talking about. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, just realized it's in my javascript. Thanks! -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 22:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Preferences → Gadgets → Add page and user options to drop-down menus on the toolbar. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Saving drafts

Hi All! I was just part way through a rather large edit when my computer crashed and I've lost it all. This sort of thing has happened a few times and it is infuriating and a bit of a waste of time. Is there anything draft saving function so that I can avoid this in future? Best regards and merry Christmas, Furius (talk) 23:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The Sandbox link that shows at the top of the page when you are logged in is for working on and saving draft edits. You can make subpages of your main sandbox if you are working on multiple edits. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 23:57, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

If you'd rather not save it to Wikipedia and/or it's an edit to an extant page, you could work in something like Notepad or Word or something and paste it in when you're finished. - Purplewowies (talk) 05:38, 25 December 2013 (UTC)