Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Ron Paul/1

Ron Paul

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Result: No consensus to delist, and the criteria for instability have been clarified: they do not apply to this article. Article remains listed. Geometry guy 19:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fails criteria 4 (neutral) and 5 (stable); subject to constant re-editing by worshipful fans and cranky critics, full of trivia, POV pushing and fancruft Orange Mike | Talk 14:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delist. There's a lot of POV in this article; in particular, far too many of Paul's statements are taken at face value, which we should never do for a politician. Given how fringe a figure Paul is, there also needs to be a much larger criticism section. *** Crotalus *** 05:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist An article that is the subject of currently evolving subject matter, like an ongoing election, should have been automatically quick-failed to begin with. The other factors are completely irrelevant if the article is going to be significantly altered with the day-to-day changes of a presidential election. You can renominate when it's over. VanTucky ^talk 04:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per VanTucky. -Oreo Priest 20:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Barak Obama is an FA. Hillary Clinton is a GA. They are both also in the election. Clearly the election is not a reason to demote this article. For the most part, as I've looked at this article, editors have been largely able to work together on issues. If OrangeMike feels there is POV, he should bring it up on the talk page and get it fixed, which I've noticed he is trying to do. We should leave it to the editors of the article to decide the intricacies of NPOV, not hold GA over them as a stick to make them change. After all, they know the sources. We don't. I don't really see any trivia or fancruft in the article at all, either. Wrad (talk) 04:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Stability is not much of a concern; the article has a daughter page to deal with the specific presidential campaign, not much more than a line or two looks to be changed in the main article. As a whole, it seems neutral in its coverage. I see little to raise any concerns as to its GA status. Its an actively edited article, but disputes seem to be constructively worked out on the talk page, and I don't see any obvious editwarring. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 04:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article is stable except for the election section, as expected; this is a biography with an election section, not an election article. I have not yet succeeded in merging some content into other articles in summary style, which would further stabilize, but this has been a GA all this time without that being a high priority. GAR just at the time of the first primaries, when there is expected to be much editing going on by newbies, is unhelpful. As for neutrality, we have begged those who charge POV to come forward with edits and sources, and occasionally they do and those edits are worked into the heap. To repeat Wrad, the election criterion is irrelevant, considering that Tony Blair and Wes Clark also reached FA while they were election contenders. All sorts of FAs and GAs are subject to re-editing by fans and critics: that is no reason for delisting. Extant demonstrations of Mike's other concerns are easily defused. I apologize I haven't been on this article in a couple weeks to keep it steady, but GAR is not the proper response, Mike, especially considering that there have been eight or nine adverse actions by Wikipedians against Paul articles in the last couple weeks. Of course, I don't know of any policy against that, except common sense of not "piling on". John J. Bulten (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article and a few similar ones have led to a clarification of the stability issue for current events, and in particular, the quick fail criteria. Specifically, this article should not be regarded as inherently unstable because it concerns a presidential candidate. However, it is very important that we assess an article against all of the good article criteria, rather than simply refuting one argument that it should fail. I agree that just piling on is a bad idea (for that, the best policy is merely an essay: WP:DBAD), but the allegations of fancruft, unsubstantiated criticism, lack of neutral point of view, do need to be assessed, just to make sure this really is still a good article. Some of the above comments do this, so I just wanted to emphasise this point, not imply any criticism. Geometry guy 22:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]