Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:Leaf morphology no title.png

Leaf Morphology Diagram

Reason: Today, diagrams are typically requested to be in SVG format before discussion takes place. Since there's already an SVG, I propose replacement. I expect this to be mainly a procedural move.
Previous nomination/s: Original nomination from 2006
Previous nominator(s) informed: Y [1]
Nominator: wadester 16

Delist and replace — wadester 16 06:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delist & replace~~ the SVG should be brighter, the borders should be removed, a web-friendly font should be used, and coloration of leaves should all be equal. Zoo Fari 06:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
comment no reason to insist on svg when high resolution png is available. In my opinion, svg is an inferior format that renders with inconsistent geometry, speed, and reliability across platforms. Also, a non serifed font for the small text would look better. de Bivort 20:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there should be no problem rendering if the SVG is compressed correctly (and not worry about inconsistent geometry). Speed is not an issue, as the file size never changes when changing resolution. The only con is that a browser may not support it, or an extension may be required to open it. Zoo Fari 05:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In principle you are right, but every browser system that is remotely up to date renders high resolution pngs quickly and without the need for extensions. de Bivort 19:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debivort, I think the png vs svg debate was solved a long time ago. The svg version is nice enough that it could be a poster, that's obviously the one we want.-Ravedave (talk) 05:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Would like to support replacement SVG, but unfortunately it doesn't use web-safe fonts. I also agree with ZooFari that the outside border should be removed. Kaldari (talk) 21:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Replace - if websafe font is used. -Ravedave (talk) 05:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately, it doesn't :-( Unlike the small captions, the titles were converted to from "text" to "path", which is required in order for Wikimedia to render it. Conversion to path is really unwise, as it makes a huge file size boost. Zoo Fari 05:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - "Alternate", "Opposite", "Whorled" etc are leaf arrangements or phyllotaxy or phyllotaxis, not leaf shapes. Also mis-spellings should be checked and corrected - e.g. "flabellate" not "flabelate" Rotational (talk) 08:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this an issue in the png as well? wadester 16 19:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Arrangement and ordering is poor, e.g. "doubly serrate" being put before "serrate". Delist, do not replace. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ordering is alphabetical. de Bivort 20:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Which is not sensible in this case. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 184 FCs served} 03:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delist and Replace~~ per nom. Makeemlighter (talk) 08:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Make that Conditional Delist and Replace pending fix of the typo. I'm not as concerned with the other change Ksempac mentions, although it would be nice. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Before a delist and replace, some concerns should be adressed : the typo on flabellate, and the mix between shape and leaf arrangements. A new group should be added "Leaf arrangements" which would take all the arrangements out of the shape group. Ksempac (talk) 16:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Requested a fixed version from Debivort here. Makeemlighter (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Suspended.~~ We'll give a week or so for a response to the above. --jjron (talk) 08:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debivort made the PNG version. Shouldn't we try to ask for a SVG version instead, to the SVG's creator ? Ksempac (talk) 06:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe! I guess I figured since he made the original picture, he'd be the one to go to for an updated version. Feel free to contact the SVG's creator if you think he can make the desired changes. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on tweaks but I realized the captions of the leaf shapes are not properly a neutral point of view. Should I get rid of them? Zoo Fari 23:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't really understand the non-NPOV comment re the captions - could you explain? I really think this would be considerably less informative without them, especially for a casual user. In terms of a delist and replace I'd probably suggest just fixing the typo and ensuring websafe fonts. Anything beyond that I think would require a different nomination. --jjron (talk) 02:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Never mind, but I don't like the caption for Palmate. Is there another option we can use? Zoo Fari 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Shamelessly stolen from here, "Resembling a hand with the fingers outspread". Perhaps slightly reword that...although surely you wouldn't be breaching copyright using something that short? More definitions here but that seemed the simplest for this usage. --jjron (talk) 06:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - How about just "Resembles a hand"? Zoo Fari 21:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Well a hand comes in many forms - open fingers, closed fingers, fist, etc. The idea of palmate is the you have the main part of the leaf like the palm of the hand, with projections off it like the outspread fingers. --jjron (talk) 07:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Well "like a hand with fingers": all hands have fingers (or at least the majority of the world). How about "Resembles an opened hand" or something similar? I don't want to use "like" as it seems to change the point of view. Zoo Fari 14:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        An open hand could still have the fingers together though, and often does. Could say "Resembles an open hand with outspread fingers". --jjron (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can we also get rid of the drop shadows on the text? I would do it myself, but I don't want to conflict with Zoofari's tweaks. Kaldari (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that contributes to web-safe fonts. Zoo Fari 21:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsuspended due to re-edit addressing concerns. --jjron (talk) 07:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and replace alternative despite the coloration I brought up on my previous vote. I fixed the typo flabelate→flabellate, removed the outer border, replaced the titles with Times, and used "SHAPE & ARRANGEMENT" instead of creating another box for it (it would require too much work). I also increased the coloration brightness to something more vivid and changed the caption of Palmate from "like a hand with fingers" to "resembles a hand". I didn't do Shoe's concern about the ordering, but will do if anyone agrees. Anything else? Zoo Fari 03:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with Shoemaker and think the different types of serrate leaf could be quite reasonably grouped, even without seeming to break the alphabetic ordering. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please check my comment above about the rewording of palmate. --jjron (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm fine with this now, but if you want to change the ordering, I certainly wouldn't object. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with Alt. Nice work Zoofari! Kaldari (talk) 17:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with Alt. I second the thanks. Mostlyharmless (talk) 03:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with Zoo-"Awesome"-fari version Ksempac (talk) 06:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with Alt great illustration--Caspian blue 16:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced with File:Leaf morphology.svg --jjron (talk) 12:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]