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OriginalStade Français playing Racing Club de France from a 1906 calendar
Reason
A fine example of early-20th-century sporting artwork. First nomination failed to reach quorum, with no issues raised.
Articles in which this image appears
Stade Français, Racing 92, Georges Scott, Pierre Guillemin
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Sport, probably?
Creator
Georges Scott restored by Adam Cuerden
  • Oppose I agree with the above, but I will vote this way. I don't really see the EV as well. There is no page for the painting, and the pages it is found in do not make too much sense. If you want to illustrate the rugby team, a photograph would be more relevant. It is also in a player's page, but the image doesn't specify which player is him. I don't see what is gained by having (a rather bland) painting instead of a clear photograph, sorry. Mattximus (talk) 13:49, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mattximus: You're presuming the existence of photographs, though, which probably don't exist. 1906 is probably way too early for cameras to do action shots, so, you're basically voting this down because you'd rather have something thatcannot possibly exist. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:12, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're moving the target. Do you want this to be judged as an action shot or as an image of a historic uniform? We could surely have a much, much better image for showing historic uniform, and I'm not sure we urgently need an action shot... Josh Milburn (talk) 22:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No I'm not: It's valuable on many fronts, and I cannot possibly fathom your response. We don't have colour photographs of the uniform from this period. Obviously. We don't have documentation of the state of the fields, of historic rugby football, or a number of other things, except for this image - and yet it somehow lacks EV. Even if this image is just a nice historic illustration, it gives a lot of incidental information about what rugby was like at the time, and is thus valuable; that it's fairly unique in doing so makes it more so, not less. A picture is worth a thousand words, as they say, and, especially in this case, there's a lot of incidental information in this image that a thousand words will never convey. For example, that one could wear a non-uniform cap; the depiction of a tackle; the shoes; the state of the field; the rugby ball; the colours of the uniforms; the style of them, seen from a variety of angles - all these are useful for anchoring a reader. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've explained why I've reached the conclusion I have, and I'm not the only person who has reached a similar conclusion. Reasonable people can disagree; harrying opposers (and borderline twisting my words- I have neither claimed nor insinuated that football history is not a legitimate topic) just comes across as a chilling technique. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe we can clarify? What specific encyclopedic entry does this provide EV for? It's in 4 pages at the moment. One is for a player that may or may not be illustrated in this image (so no EV there), the second is for the artist, but it's buried in the gallery among others (no EV there), and then it's in 2 modern teams where a photograph would be better. I agree with the above, if you want to illustrate historic uniform then a photograph would be better, if you want to talk about the "action", well none of the 4 pages actually talks about the historical aspect of the action, so I have to agree, I don't see any EV. Mattximus (talk) 17:10, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 11:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]