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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by The Rambling Man 22:10, 29 March 2011 [1].

List of San Jose Sharks players[edit]

Notified: Kaiser matias, WP NHL

This list is almost a year out of date, and hasn't been updated since the conclusion of the 2009 Stanley Cup. The list saying "Statistics are complete to the end of the 2008–09 NHL season." pretty much says it all. Courcelles 12:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, if that is your only concern, a simple note at WT:HOCKEY would have sufficed. Are there other issues, or should I just update the statistics and we can all move on? Resolute 14:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The lede needs work. It's somewhat on the short side, and only half of it is about the players in question. The two sentences "Since their inception, 237 different players have played at least one regular season or playoff game for the Sharks. The team has had nine captains." need sourcing, the table should be sortable, none of the sources support the nationality column, the Last, First organisation for the names is not done, all the notes need to be sourced, and ref 4 is dead. And why-ever some names are in bold a new method needs to be found per MOS:BOLD. Courcelles 14:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bold names were ones of players that were currently with the Sharks. I'll try to up date the stats/make sortable over the weekend also I'll add the color/symbol for current team-members. Number of players for the sharks is simply counting the list and nationalities are from the player pages, I promoted the Panthers players a few moths ago and at the time I was told I didn't need a note specifying that it was simply counting the below list nor was I told I needed a reference for the number. I will try to find a reference for team captains and I'm not sure what you mean by last/first organization. If you are referring to teams a player started his career/ended his career i don't believe there are other FL for ice hockey players that have that information listed.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We're used to seeing names as "John Smith" instead of "Smith, John". Why this format here? Courcelles 15:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency, all of the FL of NHL players are listed last name first, now whether there was a policy that governed them in the beginning I do not know.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if you can blame me for that, or someone else. List of Calgary Flames players was the second such list to be formatted this way, and I don't remember if I did the last, first format first, or if I followed someone else's lead. In either case, I think it was done to have the list appear in true alphabetical form. And thanks to both you, and Rambling Man below, for detailed comments. I am not certain if I will deal with this list before it's FLRC expires, but will definitely apply the comments to the Flames list so that it does not appear here as well. Otherwise, I will probably try to address some or most of these concerns on the weekend. Resolute 23:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think your model was written before anyone got Template:Sortname to actually work, and the current format sots correctly without "tricking" the sorting. Courcelles 23:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stats are up to date--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 00:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Great work. I won't collapse my comments since I was the initiator here. Courcelles 19:27, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Lead's a little on the short side, and some things need work like linking expansion team for us non-experts.
  • Since the stats are out of date, the lead is also out of date.

Resolute has expanded and updated the lead.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 19:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't know what bold means in the table. And it shouldn't be used exclusively to convey information in any case.
changed from bold to color/symbol for active players add info to the "key" section
  • Niemi has blank cells, and needs an en-dash in the season range.

fixed

  • Regular Season -> Regular season.

fixed

  • I don't see why the names are "surname, first name".

changed to first name last name

  • Nat (presumably Nationality) should be spelled out or added to the key.

fixed

  • Note [d] needs referencing.

Actually note b now - referenced.

  • References need MOS (e.g. spaced hyphen should be spaced en-dash, avoid mixed date formats)

made dates uniform fixed spaced n-dash

  • Is www.sportsecyclopedia.com a WP:RS?

changed
Not irreversible, but work needs to be done, so delist unless it's updated and improved in accordance with the comments I've provided. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment – TRM pretty much covered all the bases. Work is ongoing, so I'm reluctant to offer too much commentary yet. However, let me quickly say that note b doesn't appear relevant to this list. Because of when the Sharks were introduced to the NHL, none of the goalies could have played for them before the point where the stat was made official. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Removed it. I agree there isn't a need for the note as it doesn't apply to any of the players.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 00:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, I have expanded the lead to be considerably more focused on the players themselves. I still need to clean it up a little, but should be an improvement over previous. Resolute 21:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What issues remain to be addressed? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a couple that I found, although it should be noted that the list is much better now:
  • In the table, there are unspaced em dashes in the award notes, which go against the MoS. Making them en dashes is probably the easiest fix.
Changed to en dash
  • The Legends of Hockey general reference isn't loading for me. I've seen problems with old Hockey Hall of Fame links before, so this likely needs an updated address, assuming one exists.

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed reference add two new ones from NHL.com (Skaters and Goaltenders)--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 22:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, in my opinion the article now meets FL standards: the captions could do with references though. Harrias talk 13:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep appears to look good, although not sure why the goalies table si centered and the fielders one is not. Nergaal (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think it had something to do with the images, I added an extra space and now both tables are left justified.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Nice job getting the list back up to date and meeting standards. I would prefer to see "Present" in Joe Thornton's note without the capitalization, but overall I'm satisfied that this is back up to snuff. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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