Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1

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Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season

Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1
Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season/archive2

Nominator(s): Yellow Evan (talk · contribs)

I am nominating this for featured list because a long time ago, I was looking at how close the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season is to FT status. This list was the only page that prevented the 2002 AHS FT, so I wrote a lead and adding several images and did some minor copyedting. Last week, Titoxd (talk · contribs) gave this a copyedit and one comment, which I just addressed today. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- I winthdraw this nomination. I have no desire to adress any of these issues for now, and instead working on other older storms. I may re-nom this at a later date though. For now,any help is welcome. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane

Preliminary comments from Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 05:48, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-breaking spaces when expressing values and units. This is rampant throughout the article.
- Should I put them in the time. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency: "Tropical storm" or "Tropical Storm" Cristobal (in the image caption)?
- The second option, Tropical Storm Cristobal. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency: Stick to either present perfect tense or past tense. Don't mix both. You say the season "began" but it "ends"; the first storm "attained" peak intensity but it "becomes" an extratropical cyclone; Cristobal "attained" its minimum pressure but "attains" peak winds, etc.
- Switched to past. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are the UTC time conversions really necessary?
- Yes, per project standards. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do the usage of dashes here meet WP:DASH?
- If I understand it, yes, so there is a non-breaking space in between the single dash. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Tropical Depression Seven... the storm" so which was it? (This also occurs in the lead: "The season's last storm, Tropical Depression 14")
- It was a TD. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You have ~~an image~~ two images to which the caption is simply "Storm path". Couldn't get more vague if you tried.
- Blame Template:Storm path, every time you put a track map on with the template. Should I remove the images? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just add a | and a caption.Jason Rees (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, both images still have captions reading "Storm path". Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency: Either use commas in four-digit numbers of don't, but don't mix them.
- A brief glance suggests that the times are pressures are all consistent. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - For Tropical Depression Eleven you have a kilometre conversion of 1,150 km; most others do not have the comma. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency: Why are some conversions given to the nearest 5, some to the nearest 1; some to 2 decimal places, some to 1?
- Because of the source and unit. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not buying that. Most pressure conversions to inHg are given to two decimals, but at least one I saw (Cristobal) is given to just one. All your distance conversions appear to be rounded to 5 miles or km, but for Tropical Storm Gustav you somehow have 20 miles (32 km). Either be specific with the conversion or use a standard rounding off. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lead: "(2002 USD, USD)"?
- Fixed. YE 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Lead: Is there a need to keep repeating (2002 USD)?
- Fixed. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As far as I can tell, all the hurricane timelines are written in present tense. — Ines (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since most of the article was in past tense, I switched it to past tense. If you really want me to change it to present, ill do it. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still some issues. "Tropical Storm Cristobal is absorbed into a frontal zone" for example. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment: October 14 entry has "Cape Gracias a Dios". Should this not be linked? Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~"In fact, Hurricane Lili, the last system to reach named status". The "In fact" is just excess wordiness to me, because I'd hope that we're dealing with facts.~~
- Fixed. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
En dash needed in "Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale", if our article is any indication. This occurs twice in the lead.
- I decided to remove the second once, but fixed the first one. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - It looks like you're trying to put a non-breaking space in, not an en dash. It's causing some formatting to appear on the page. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 17:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~Don't need two Hurricane Lili links in the lead.~~
- Good call per WP:OVERLINKNIG.Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
For all listings after June, en dashes are needed to replace hyphens after times.
September 7 (second listing for that day): "The depresio also attained its peak intensity...". Typo in the second word?
- I think I fixed this. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane
  - Apparently not. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What storm is the last photo showing?
- Added, TD14. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 14:41, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Don't see this; I'm thinking it wasn't added back the second time you went through the comments. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 17:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
~~November 30: Since the first listing in the timeline said "began", doesn't it make sense to finish this one with "ended" instead of "ends"?~~
- Good call. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
Some of the references have the date before month, and some have month before date (in access date). It doesn't matter that much which way you do it, but they should be consistent throughout.
If those are all caps in ref 12, remove them. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see any of the fixes that have supposedly been made in response to the comments. According to page history, the article hasn't been edited at all since my review. Maybe the edits weren't saved? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yea, I forgot to hit the "save page" button XD Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane

Comments

Presumably, given your average of 19, 14 would be "slightly below average"?
Plus opening sentence is confusing to a non-expert since you mention 14 tropical cyclones but then don't mention tropical cyclones in the breakdown of the average...
"a month and a half " -> six weeks.
"hurricane season, which occurred on June 1" -> "hurricane season of June 1"
Don't think you need to link "flood"
" The high rainfall amounts from" don't need "amounts".
" which left about 400 homes with some form of flood damage" repetition of flood, perhaps, "damaging about 400 homes".
(a) introduce the Saffir-Simpson scale the first time you mention categorisation, (b) there's a problem with the wikilinking - [[Saffir&enbsp;Simpson Hurricane Scale]].[11] ...
Replace spaced hyphens with spaced en-dashes per WP:DASH.
"1:00 p.m. EDT (1800 UTC)" vs "2:00 a.m. EDT (0600 UTC)" are the differences consistent?
1007 ->1,007
"1;00 p.m. EDT" -> 1:00 p.m.
"1013" -> 1,013
"1580->1,580
"Storm path" caption seems incomplete.
1002 -> 1,002
Is John L. Beven II (ref 1) the same as Beven, Jack (ref 4)?

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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