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List of general elections in Botswana

Nominator(s): ^48JCLTalk 01:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after reading all the criteria, I think this page is ready to become a featured list, based on the requirements. Also, this page is a vital article to Botswana, so it would be really great if this became featured, since the nation is not relevant for anything other than its democracy; and I don’t think most Botswana articles relating to democracy have much in it, other than maybe 2014 Botswana general election If not, I will continue improving this article. Hey in fact, this article might not need to exist, but no matter what, I will try to get this article as far as possible. There are, I think around 40 references, so this article is well-cited, in my opinion. ^48JCLTalk 01:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

The most immediate thing is that the article's lead doesn't need its own subheading ("overview") -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed that ^48JCLTalk 14:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824

There is quite a bit that can be improved, so we'll have to do this in batches:

There is a lot of information present in the table. Can you eliminate some of the columns that aren't as important? e.g. the exact number of votes won doesn't seem to be very important and can be eliminated. Even the vote share% isn't important since the number of seats won is what determines the governing party. Done
The row for the upcoming election can be eliminated, until the results are in.not done
Some of the columns need grouping (by winner, runner up). See Elections in India#History of Lok Sabha elections for how to do that. Done
Pipe the various election wikilinks in the table to only show the election year. Done
Replace the word "rule" with "govern" everywhere relevant in the lead. Done
Explain in the lead how the president is selected after the results for the individual constituencies are announced. Done

That's it for now. Ping me when you've done these and I can give you more suggestions. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did most however I would like to keep the 2024 general election tab- also, for some reason the article feels empty now. 48JCL (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824 48JCL (talk) 22:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article feels empty - Yes, but cleaner. You don't want to overwhelm the reader with excessive information. I'll add the next batch of suggestions soon. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next batch of suggestions:

You have a lot of short paragraphs in the lead. Merge them into 2 (or at most 3) paragraphs.Done
If voter turnout % is available for most/all the elections, then that would be a good data point to add to the table.Done
I'd suggest that you move all the refs to their own cell at the end of each row, since there are so many of them for each election.Done
Replace TBD with a shortish phrase which indicates that the 2024 election is set for the future.Done
Add some information to the lead about the changes in the election before and after independence.Kinda done ig
I'd suggest that you replace "Unknown" for the 1961 election with "NA", if that's the right phrase to use. Done

Again, ping me when you are done with these. I'll be off-wiki for a while, so hopefully another reviewer can help you improve this list until then.-MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824 there aren’t really many differences because universal suffrage was adopted before their independence in 1966 48JCL (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Each president is entitled to two" to "Each president is limited to two".
It isn't clear why "seats available for election" is 57 for the 2019 election, while total seats is 65 (in the image). Add an explanation in the lead (or elsewhere, if that works better).
"However, recent elections have shown that support for the BDP is declining, and opposition parties have started getting more support." You can remove the second part of the sentence (since it is a corollary to the first).
"only 29.4% of people surveyed": I don't think you should use the word "only" here, since it is the larger of the two numbers in the sentence.
Not a deal-breaker, but would it be possible to find enough references to start the article about the "European Advisory Council"?
Reorder the refs for the 1969 election so that they are in ascending order. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why does the number of seats won by the winner, runner-up and other parties not add up to the total number of seats available for the last two elections.........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because of appointed and ex officio members. I’d love to add a footnote but I don’t know how to make it say [b] 48JCL (talk) 20:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude 48JCL (talk) 20:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ight fixed it 48JCL (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

"being the Botswana Democratic Party" - I think "namely the Botswana Democratic Party" would be better EnglishDone
"It has had 13 formal" => "The country has had 13 formal"Done
Remove the space between the comma and the reference after 1961 and after "5 years"Done
Also, "5 years" should be "five years"
"two 5-year terms." => "two five-year terms."Done
Also, no need to say "former president" unless he is the current one, as that is obviousDone
BDP should be linked just once in the lead, not three timesDone
also, put BDP in brackets after the first useDone
Also, why did the earlier ones not follow it? Did they just ignore it? Or did it in fact not exist yet?Done
"showed that alone 29.4% of people" => "showed that only 29.4% of people"Done
"would vote for a main opposition party, the UDC" - write the name in full and then put the abbreviation in bracketsDone
You write runner-up both with and without a hyphen, pretty sure it should always have a hyphenDone
NA should probably be n/aDone
Put the footnotes above the mapsDone -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be possible for you to support? 48JCL talk 17:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude 48JCL talk 20:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what else? 48JCL (talk) 14:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude 48JCL (talk) 23:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

There's a space between the full stop and ref 7Done
"Quett Masire created " - when was this and who was Quett Masire? This needs more context.Done
"would vote for a main opposition party, the Umbrella for Democratic Change (UDC) if elections" - need a comma after (UDC)Done
"In Botswana, the president of Botswana is selected" - first two words aren't needed. The president of Botswana is obviously select in Botswana rather than any other country Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude Corrected. 48JCL 19:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even more comments

There's no reason at all for the first sentence to be in boldDone
"then called the Bechuanaland Democratic Party" => "previously called the Bechuanaland Democratic Party"Done
"Each president is entitled to two five-year terms, and Quett Masire, the second president" => "Each president is entitled to two five-year terms; Quett Masire, the second president"Done
"Opinion polls in 2022 conducted by Afrobarometer showed that only 29.4% of people surveyed" => "Opinion polls in 2022 conducted by Afrobarometer showed that 29.4% of people surveyed"Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alright, got more? 48JCL (talk • contribs) 17:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This feels like peer review now lol 48JCL (talk • contribs) 17:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! rowspan="2" |Election becomes !scope=col rowspan="2" |Election. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |[[1961 Bechuanaland general election|1961]] becomes !scope=row |[[1961 Bechuanaland general election|1961]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 20:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I’ll get to work on that. 48JCL 23:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN Is it good now? 48JCL 01:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A couple column headers were missing scopes, but I fixed it. --Pres N 02:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PCN02WPS

"is a landlocked country located in Southern Africa" → "located" is unnecessary, just simplify to "country in Southern Africa"Done
"on September 30 1966" → missing comma after dateDone
"Each president is entitled to two five-year terms" → I would recommend merging this sentence with the one that comes after itDone
"Botswana,[10] created Botswana’s term limit[11] in 1997.[12]" → moving the references to the end of the sentence would make it far more readableDone
"The first election in Botswana that adopted universal suffrage" → presumably the country adopted universal suffrage and then had the election, rather than the election itself having universal suffrageDone
Presumably the BDP was called the Beuchanaland Democratic Party before the name change to Botswana? Also would be helpful to have something telling when that name change took place.Done
"Every single election" → "Every election"Done
"by the Botswana Democratic Party" → can abbreviate to BDP since you've already defined the abbreviation and used it in the first paragraphDone
"recent elections have start to show" → "have started to show" or just "have shown"Done
"Despite this, ahead of the 2024 election, they still hold 70% of all seats in the Parliament" → I know you're talking about the BDP, but "they" is still ambiguous here since the last thing you talked about was the opposition parties, not the BDPDone
Not convinced that the line of prose in "Summary" is neededRemoved
A key for the parties in the table would be helpful (especially since some aren't mentioned/defined in the prose
Reference formatting could also use some cleanupDone

That's what I've got on first look. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS All issues addressed. 48JCL 01:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I withdraw my nom?

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