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List of first-class cricket quadruple centuries

Featured list removal candidates/List of first-class cricket quadruple centuries/archive1

Nominator(s): Harrias ^talk 15:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seven years after the last failed nomination, I bring this one back for your consideration. I'm a bit out of touch over here, as my last nomination was in January 2018, so bear with me!

Giants2008 opposed this last time around as a 3b violation, so let me address that point. List of first-class cricket records has a section entitled Highest individual score, in which seven of the ten entries here appear. However, the two lists are different statistics: the one listed here is every score of 400 or more. The Highest individual score list records only those scores that became the highest ever first-class score. This currently stands at 501, so any future scores between 400 and 500 would not enter that list. Giants2008 brought up the idea that "Is having a 10-item list there really a stretch?" This appears a reasonable point; but as laid out, these are different statistics: to include the missing three items would change the nature of the list. Another query was: "And could the content here reasonably be included in a potential List of first-class cricket triple centuries?" As I laid out in the previous nomination (before I withdrew it), there are over 175 triple centuries in first-class cricket, so such a list seems trivial and unlikely to be created.

Further issues were raised by Testing times. Some of these I have worked on and addressed in the article, while other parts of it I don't think are necessary or feasible, so those have not been included, but I am more than happy to be challenged on those points. As always, all comments and input will be greatly appreciated. Harrias ^talk 15:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I'll say that I am still not certain about whether 3b is truly met, but won't oppose to avoid putting the FLC's chances in question right away. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Merge the single sentence "paragraph" in the lead into the one before
  - I have restored an older version of the text which had this merged already. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "Bill Ponsford is the only other player to have scored two quadruple centuries; doing so" - semi-colon should be a comma
  - Changed. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "MacLaren's score remained the only quadruple century for over 25 year," - missing S at the end
  - Added. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "according to MacLaren's biographer Michael Down, "standards of play are sometimes hard to assess."" - don't need the comma after Down and the full stop should be outside the quote marks, not inside
  - Done. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Paragraph about Hick is only two sentences so I would merge that with the next one
  - As above, this is restored with the older version. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "only two quadruple centuries that was scored" => were scored
  - Changed. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "denotes the date the match started on" => "denotes the date on which the match started"
  - Changed. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think any of the notes need full stops
  - Changed. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Think that's it from me.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review; I have responded to each point above. Harrias ^talk 10:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. While I can understand the initial query over criterion 3c (not 3b, article is more than adequately cited), it feels coincidental and not something that would be rectified by merging it—the fact that this has been irreconcilable with the first-class records list since 1948 seems fairly definitive to me. The list itself seems in good nick on a technical level so I'm happy to support it. GRAPPLE ^X 17:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"It was first achieved in 1895 by Archie MacLaren, while" for whom against whom?
- Added. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"been by Brian Lara, " tell us all he's West Indian.
- I'm honestly not sure that his nationality is relevant here? Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"927 for Victoria. Ponsford's " explain "Victoria" briefly.
- Have expanded to "for the Victoria cricket team." How's that? Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Melbourne Cricket Ground, making " don't assume all our readers know this is in Australia.
- Again, given that the MCG is linked, is this level of detail necessary, given that it is tertiary information? Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"quadruple centuries, his innings lasting " that's a semi-colon, not a comma.
- Changed as suggested. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"(7 hours and 32 minutes); Lara's Test quadruple " that's a full stop, not a comma.
- Changed as suggested. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Three of the scores were..." we just spent a lot of time talking about Lara's success, you need to restate "Three of the quadruple centuries ever scored" or something.
- Expanded to clarify. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"is one of just two players" no need for "just".
" in just his third" again, no need for "just".
- Bad habit, cut both. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You relink Bradman in full but not Maclaren.
- Good spot, linked MacLaren. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"His innings, which lasted 415 minutes, is the shortest of any quadruple century" shortest? The most relevant stat would be the "quickest", is that the point? Or are you saying his overall innings was the shortest, in which case, meh?
- Changed to quickest. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Their opposition, Kathiawar, conceded" who is "they"?
- Clarified. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Link "over" first time it's properly used.
- Linked. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Century (cricket) definitely not needed as a see also...
- Quite: removed. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Quadruple centuries and above[5" "and above"? you already explained in the lead that a quadruple century could exceed 400.
- Removed "and above". Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's my quick run, thanks for asking for a look over. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!)

@The Rambling Man: Thank you for the review! I have responded to each of your points above: I have queried a couple. Harrias ^talk 20:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support happy with this, my unresolved comments were personal preferences, and certainly don't prevent my enthusiasm for the list. Good work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(PS I'm supposed to state that I'll be submitting this review as part of my entry in the WikiCup, so there, I've said it... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Resolved comments from Bharatiya29 20:49, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

# The sentence "Bradman's quadruple century ... third or fourth innings of the match" seems odd to me. It should be changed to "Bradman's quadruple century ... third innings of the match" and maybe a different sentence saying that no 400+ score has been achieved in the fourth innings.

- I have clarified the relevance of this. Harrias ^talk 14:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about a note saying that the Kathiawar team is now known as Saurashtra?
Pune was known as Poona in 1948.
- Both done. Harrias ^talk 14:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it is worth mentioning that Somerset and Queensland are the only two teams to have conceded a quadruple century twice. Bharatiya29 13:58, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Harrias ^talk 14:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bharatiya29: Thanks for your comments, I have responded to each above. Harrias ^talk 14:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Bharatiya29 20:49, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – All of the sources used appear to be reliable and well-formatted, and the link-checker shows no issues. The source review is a pass. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:19, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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