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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 12:38, 14 March 2011 [1].

List of channels on Zattoo

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List of channels on Zattoo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 06:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This list received a strong clean-up by me. I C&P this list into my sandbox and pasted back to this list. With the help of Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves, the history of the sandbox was merged with this article. Hopefully this will be promoted, as I see no single item that is against the criteria.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 06:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Lead needs serious English-speaker copyedit (you've been told this sort of thing before)... e.g.
    • "It is availabe, besides on computer, " typo, poor grammar.
      • done
    • "rate to 1,2 MBps. In opposition to the standard channels, the high quality have got the" - 1.2 not 1,2. Second sentence is grammatically bad.
      • done
    • "Since 2007 the countries Poland and Austria were expected to be included, but they since have not been added" - two "since" in the same sentence is poor.
  • Star TV is a dab.
    • I used dabsolver shortly after I nominated this list.
  • I think you're mis-using the caption function of the table, how does "Source" help screen-readers/others understand what's actually in these tables?
    • Any suggestion?
  • Channel Name->Channel name.
    • done
  • "Zattoo Foreign Language Bundles". where is this referenced?
    • in the lead
  • Lots of dependency on first-party source (i.e. Zattoo themselves), frankps.net looks like a blog so can't see it passing WP:RS, and I'm not sure how www.iptv-anbieter.ch is reliable either.
    • frankps.net is reliable: (from the about page)
      ...I have been writing for IsComputerOn and I was the editor of TheQtopian (a newssite about the embedded operating system Qtopia from Trolltech). But I now mostly write on this blog. I urge you to subscribe my blog’s RSS feed. If you are interested in more news from me, I also blog once in a while in Norwegian at frankps.posterous.com...My name is Frank Paul Silye (alias frankps), and I saw the light from a hospital lamp for the first time back in January 1974. My hometown is Flekkefjord, but I currently live in Oslo, Norway. I work as a computer engineer at Department of Sociology and Human Geography. If you want to learn a bit more about me, please have a look at the link section, my LinkedIn profile, my Last.fm profile and the pictures that I am constantly publishing on my Flickr account. It’s not often that I read books, but here is a few books that I have read. Oslo is a city that never sleeps, there is always something going on. More or less all culture events are listed at underskog.no, where you can also see what I and some of friends plan to attend (in Norwegian and account needed).
    • iptv-anbieter seems to be a trustworthy organisation. (from the impressum; please use Google Translator if you don't understand):
      Hinweise zum Urheberrech Sehr gern werden Anfragen zur kostenpflichtigen Nutzung einzelner Elemente dieses Internetauftrittes (Text, Grafik, Layout, …) entgegen genommen. Es wird darauf hingewiesen, dass alle Texte, medialen und multimedialen Inhalte (z.B. Grafiken, Bilder,…) sowie das Design der Domain www.iptv-anbieter.ch, dem Urheberrecht unterliegen. Das alleinige Recht der Vervielfältigung, Reproduktion, Verwendung einzelner Inhalte bzw. kompletter Seiten unterliegt allein dem Urheber (Maik Enrico Wildemann) bzw. durch ihn beauftragte Personen. Zuwiderhandlungen können sowohl strafrechtlich als auch zivilrechtlich verfolgt werden. Alle genannten Marken, sowohl in Wort und Bild, unterliegen dem Eigentum des jeweiligen Herstellers bzw. Unternehmens.
  • Redlinked category not a good idea. Missing a g?
    • done
  • Second external link "Lists"->"lists".
    • done

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 19:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose
Is this even notable? The main article, Zattoo, is about 38 hours from becoming stubbed or even a redlink. Neither the old version of that or this give the sources to ensure notability... and even if Zattoo is notable, why is this?
Yes it is. Google proves it. It is one of the most popular IPTV.
And where are the independent reliable sources to show this? Why do we need both articles? Courcelles 12:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can not give you indie sources, that would be simply too much. There are a lot of sources in German, but a very few in English. So that explains that you don't see any third-party sources. What do you mean with "both" articles? The main article is (simply) about Zattoo and this about the channels.
Why are you using in-line external links as sources, instead of proper footnotes?
Don't quite understand you.
Every table has, as its header, code that presents itself as a link and "Source". That's a) not the proper use of table headers, and b) against MOS for external links.
OK done.
Why are the languages in grey and parenthesis?
Because it is the {{Language icon}} template
Why are you using this template? They are for indicating language in reference links, not for use in article body. Courcelles 12:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So simply replace it with letters?
Why use green for two things? Has a little "Skittlepedia" feel in the usage of colours.
Don't see any problems with that, as I use keys.
Concur the lede could use a rigorous copy-edit.
I do think it is acceptable now.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 12:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, it really isn't. It needs careful attention from a native speaker of English. Courcelles 12:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles 10:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This nomiation is premature. I suggest a thorough copyedit by a native English speaker, a check of my handy list, possibly a peer review to check through notability and reliable sources, and then a renomination here in a few weeks. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:43, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Oh, come on! It has enough notability and has reliable sources, as I explained you above! The lead could be easily CE!--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 12:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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