Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of X-Men 1992 TV Series episodes

List of X-Men episodes

I've asked some of the reviewers who commented on this nomination to indicate their position more explicitly. Currently we have 4 supports by named editors. These include the nominator, which was his/her first ever edit, and Gman124 who is the main editor of the list. There are two anon reviewers, whose support comments can be considered but this isn't a vote. We also have two objects - I've asked Tuf-Kat if his/her objections have been addressed. For this nomination to succeed, we need clearer support from independent reviewers. Colin°^Talk 12:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article is complete enough, it doesn't have any red links and I don't see any Grammar mistakes. So I think it should be considered.UDHSS 00:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Support'UDHSS 00:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The closing editor will count the nomination as one "support" anyway. But you seem to be lacking just one more support. --GunnarRene 03:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought we just needed a minimum of four votesGman124 05:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please provide fair-use-rational to all images and make the summaries seem less like a plot teaser and more like a summary. Once these are fixed, I will probably support this. The Placebo Effect 00:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly move to List of X-Men Episodes since their is only one series with that name and mention the other animated series as another article with a template at top. And I agree with Jay32183 about summaries and wikilinks. The Placebo Effect 01:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that you need the fair use rationales. I also agree that the teasers need to go, but you seem to be going over board in that attempt. Write a one paragraph summary, beginning-middle-end. We don't need every little detail. Include more wikilinks for those who aren't familiar with X-Men. I don't think the words "TV Series" are needed in the title of the article. Would it be possible to add directors to the list as well? Jay32183 01:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked everywhere, but couldn't find the directors listed anywhere, for X-men seriesGman124 16:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support The only concern of mine you didn't fix was listing the directors. Since they don't seem to be anywhere reasonable to find I can ignore that for now. Jay32183 18:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to excessive use of fair use images. Also no references. Renata 01:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The pictures make reading the article easier. All other Featured Lists about Episodes have this many Fair-Use Images. Would you rather see the tables without the pictures? The Placebo Effect 01:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yup. There are episode list without images and they look just as good. Renata 02:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - ~~I have seen very few episode lists without images and they don't look good without images, so I believe we need images in episode lists, it makes the episode list more appealing~~147.31.184.207 00:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - And this is exactly the argument that violates Wikipedia policy. See WP:FUC, point #8. I oppose based on #3. Renata 00:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - You need a more convincing argument than "the page looks better". The reasoning for every image needs to be "this image improves the readers' understanding of this", which is why fair use rationales were requested. Jay32183 00:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Question ~~So, you guys want are suggesting to get rid of all the images in the article?~~147.31.184.207 02:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        That is what Renata is suggesting. What I said is that the fair use rationales on the image pages need to explain why that screenshot is used. There should be a direct relation between the rationale and the summary for the episode, so that any reader can verify that the image is actually being used to benefit the article in more than just a decorative way. Jay32183 03:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object due to the lack of fair use rationales. Also, the references need to use Template:Cite web, or at least give more complete information. I'm not sure why any of those external links are present either - though undoubtedly useful for page on the TV show, they aren't specifically useful for this page, and should probably be removed. Tuf-Kat 18:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have ~~removed all the images and~~ fixed the references~~, and after some summary altration the article should be good~~UDHSS 20:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Episode-specific fair use rationales were provided by the editors. --GunnarRene 19:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~
- ~~The summaries need some copy-editing. Not so much for style as for grammar.~~
- The images should either return to the list or be deleted completely from Wikipeida. If the images serve to identify the episodes in question, then there is no reason to remove them and removing them only makes the list less informative: It becomes more difficult to identify an episode, because you can only rely on the summaries and sequence. (The only justification might be to avoid spoilers, but I smacked a spoiler template on top of the list.) If the images don't identify the episode in question, then they should be removed from the associated episode articles and deleted from Wikipedia.--GunnarRene 22:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Granted, there is some work involved in making a fair use rationale, but can also be rather easy work. One rationale works for both the episode article and the list. You can copy-paste most of the rationale from one episode screenshot to the next, except for the part of the rationale that explains why this particular image was chosen to identify the episode. See List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes or List of RahXephon media for two different formats used. --GunnarRene 22:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - ~~I added the pictures back and added fair use rationals for most of the images~~Gman124 03:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you find one that you're having trouble writing a rationale for, it probably needs to be replaced, just to let you know. Jay32183 04:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        adding fair use rationals for the ~~episodes~~ imagesGman124 01:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Now support. --GunnarRene 19:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Conditional support/weak oppose: Motivate the changes of colour in the table and provide a colour key; I see that it's somehow related to multi-episode plots, but I don't quite get it, and it seems inconsistently used. That was the condition. Here's more ideas:[reply]
- Possibly provide coloured lines both above and below stand-out episodes. See List of RahXephon media to see what I mean. Colour is sometimes used to denote season breaks (List of Sopranos episodes), but you don't need to do that since you have section headers - and having both episode type and season marked by coulour makes for a Saruman-hippy-trippy experience. This is a 1f) concern, but it is mostly cosmetic. --GunnarRene 02:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~A related comment: What was the standard for splitting or merging two-parters in the list? The two-parter shown on the same day makes a lot of sense, but what abou the others?~~--GunnarRene 02:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I had merged the two-parters bevcause i thought it would make the episode list shorter, but someone changed them backUDHSS 18:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object. Inappropriate lead. It should contain the number of episodes, a small description about the series, a sentence explaining the "Spider-man crossover" Support. I recommend you to check similar FLs:

CG 08:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is fixed nowGman124 23:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have put fair use rationals on all the images, and replaced images that I couldn't write rationals for, and the teasers are also removed, and replaced with small summariesGman124 22:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Moved page to List of X-Men episodesGman124 23:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have shortened the episode summaries. Gman124 16:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support this article for Featured List, since I don't have any concerns or questions about the article207.172.203.4 20:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Support'. All the images have fair use tags, summaries are short, and references have been added.147.31.184.207 23:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
'Support', as I have worked on this article, and I feel I have adressed all of the objections, and I feel that this page is completed as much as I could.Gman124 15:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support All me needs have been addressed. If only all the T.V. episode lists had people this dedicated to git it htrough FLC. The Placebo Effect 13:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I've made the minor changes I was going to suggest. VegaDark 10:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]