Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Chicago Bulls head coaches

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:40, 2 August 2008 [1].

List of Chicago Bulls head coaches

I am nominating this article because I believe it should be promoted to a featured list.—Chris! _ct 21:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

No image of any of the coaches for the article?
"coaches of the Chicago Bulls franchise" → "coaches for the Chicago Bulls franchise" perhaps?
"They currently play" should be something like "As of July 2008, they play"
"33-48" – en dash needed (WP:DASH)

Gary King (talk) 21:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fix everything except the first point. I can't find free images for any coaches. The only possible one I could use is a Phil Jackson image. But that image shows Jackson coaching the Lakers team. I don't know if it work or not.—Chris! _ct 21:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could crop one of the images here. Gary King (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you upload one of these to commons:

If worse comes to worse you can use http://www.flickr.com/photos/swanksalot/517528414/

Skiles and Cartwright (and of course Jackson) have a lot of images on flicr. You should join and send flicrmails to people to change the licensing. If you send 10 for each person I bet you get at least one permission each.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. But I don't know how to that.—Chris! _ct 04:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - Jackson is the only coach not only member in the HOF, I believe. You may want to say either currently in the central division or have been in the central division since YYYY. Since you make it clear about the stadium, you might want to make this just as clear. You may want to also say played in the United Center since YYYY, but I am not sure what is common for NBA coaches.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right -- Nate Thurmond, George Gervin, and Robert Parish were all briefly members of the Bulls. (I've corrected the error.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should probably be clearer. Right now a person who played for the Bulls and coached elsewhere seems to be in the group you are describing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However, there's no one in the Hall of Fame who meets those criteria. There are only four Hall of Famers who have any connection to the Bulls: Jackson, and the three guys I mentioned above. The sentence in the article is accurate. Zagalejo^^^ 21:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support My questions have been answered although I think a better picture can be obtained from flickr.com as noted above.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- link all the years to its NBA season.
  - Done—Chris! _ct 05:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...for the Chicago Bulls franchise" should be "in the Chicago Bulls franchise".
  - Try read the sentence out loud. I think "for" is a better preposition here.—Chris! _ct 05:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- link "basketball".
  - Done—Chris! _ct 05:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "As of July 2008, they play their home games in the United Center." reference please. Also, the sentence should be "They currently play their home games in the United Center as of the 2008–09 NBA season."
  - Not everything needs a ref. A quick Google search will confirm that the Bulls play at the United Center. And I'd get rid of the "as of..." phrase entirely, since 1) there's no evidence that they plan to move out anytime soon and 2) if/when they do move, all we need to do is remove United Center from the lead. Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Coached by Johnny Kerr, the team finished its first season with a 33–48 record, the best record achieved by an expansion team in its first year of play, and secured a playoff berth. " needs reference please.
  - Already did.—Chris! _ct 05:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Kerr won NBA Coach of the Year that year." should be "Kerr won the NBA Coach of the Year Award that year."
  - Done. Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The franchise..." in the second paragraph should be "The Bulls..." because of new paragraph.
  - Done. Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...only member..." should be "...only coach..."
- I think you should write more about the other coaches beside Phil Jackson (even if he is really good).
  - I did write briefly about Johnny Kerr and Jerry Sloan. Is there any specific you think I should add.—Chris! _ct 05:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - How about that four of the head coaches never won in their coaching careers with the Bulls. -- K. Annoyomous24 07:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Nah. They were just interim coaches, so they never had a chance to accomplish anything. (BTW, there are just three - Pete Myers had two interim stints.) On the other hand, I know Tim Floyd holds some sort of futility record -- like, most losses in a three-year period, or something like that. That might be worth mentioning, if someone can find a source. Zagalejo^^^ 20:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Three coaches, Jerry Sloan, Bill Cartwright, and Pete Myers, formerly played for the Bulls" should be "Jerry Sloan, Bill Cartwright, and Pete Myers formerly played for the Bulls."
  - Done. Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- make the thumb picture bigger.
  - Done.—Chris! _ct 05:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If done all, I'll support. -- K. Annoyomous 24 01:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- K. Annoyomous 24 20:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Have you verified all the term dates? I know that the dates for Tim Floyd, Bill Berry and Bill Cartwright are wrong. Floyd resigned on December 24, 2001, so his term should read "1998-2001". (source: "Losing, feuding finally push Floyd over edge"; KC Johnson, Tribune staff reporter. Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Dec 25, 2001. pg. 1). And Bill Cartwright took over by the end of 2001, so his and Bill Berry's dates should be changed. (source: "Nearly perfect debut ; Bulls deliver on Cartwright's defensive vow; BULLS 103, CAVALIERS 80"; KC Johnson, Tribune staff reporter. Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Dec 30, 2001. pg. 8) Zagalejo^^^ 05:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I based the term dates on basketball-reference.com, so I don't know. Anyway, I fixed those dates.—Chris! _ct 05:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll look into the other dates. Zagalejo^^^ 20:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Most of the dates look OK. But Cartwright was actually relieved in Nov. 2003 [2], so I had to move a few dates up a year. Zagalejo^^^ 02:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: "The team is owned by Jerry Reinsdorf and coached by Vinny Del Negro, with John Paxson as the general manager." This whole statement needs to be dated. I don't know why the coach is mentioned at all - as that is the point of the whole list. If he is mentioned some other details should be added about him than what is already mentioned in the list. Rmhermen (talk) 22:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dated the sentence. The reason I mentioned the current coach is because every other head coach pages do that including FLs like List of Boston Celtics head coaches. I can removed it but I don't think that is a good idea.—Chris! _ct 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why must we date the sentence? Shouldn't readers assume the information is current? Zagalejo^^^ 02:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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