Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Braathens aircraft/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 17:12, 2 October 2012 [1].

List of Braathens aircraft

Featured list candidates/List of Braathens aircraft/archive1

Nominator(s): Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an attempt at an innovative list; creating a list of every aircraft, its registration, name and service history is deemed unencyclopedic by consensus at the WikiProject, so instead the list focuses on the use of the aircraft by the airline. As an aviation enthusiast, this is exactly the information I want: an image, the numbers and a description, a combination which is otherwise overlooked in airline articles. Any feedback is appreciated. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from MilborneOne (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a comment.

I appreciate the attempt to create an interesting article without falling into fancruft world and I think Arsenikk has a good job of a fine balance between encyclopedic and a spotters website, I have the following minor comments:

Much prefer the model and manufacturer to a single entry that is Douglas C-47 Dakota rather than C-47 Dakota <picture> Douglas
- The split of manufacturer and model to increase sortability, and the image in the middle was the last reviewer's idea. Anyway, I guess I can merge them. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about the The list consists of an image... bit do we normally explain a table in such detail.
- I guess that was a bit of an overkill. Some of the explanation removed (such as the image), but anything that could be misunderstood has been kept. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It uses the term "Model" a lot which makes me think they have toy model aircraft perhaps types may be better.
- I can try to vary somewhat, but model is an accurate term. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In the F28 section After discarding purchase the 737-100 doesnt make sense.
- Rephrased. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In the F28 section least-trafficked Norwegian least-trafficked an English term? MilborneOne (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It was in my dictionary, but I can rephrase it. Thank you for the feedback. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support MilborneOne (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I really, really like this kind of list. I'm not sure if the title is correct, after all you're talking about the types of aircraft ever used by Braathens, but I can't think of a snappy alternative title right now!
- If you think up something better, I am open for a change. I'm not perfectly happy either, but I haven't thought of something better and the title is short and concise. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"A brand-new " - says who?
- Perhaps not the best wording so I changed it. My point was that the aircraft could not have been less than six months old at the time, and probably was even newer. For an airplane, six months is "brand new". Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Link airline the first time.
- Okay. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"With 20 aircraft, the Boeing 737-200 was the most bought model." perhaps "The Boeing 737-200, with 20, was the most ..."?
- I sat for five minutes trying to tweak that sentence, so thanks. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Braathens has operated ..." remove "has" since the airline is defunct.
- Sure. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"aircraft have been involved " just "aircraft were involved".
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"initially few to destinations" flew.
- Thanks. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"routes flown domestic" domestically?
- Yes, that is better. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
F-27 appears to just be F27 (or F27 Friendship)?
- I'm pretty sure both are used in reliable sources, for instance there is commons:Category:Fokker F-27, but if F27 is the official spelling I can always change it. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Similar comment to F-28.
- Per above. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Braathens only operated jets" -> "Braathens operated only jets"
- Corrected. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"changed its brand name to Braathens, and changed " changed is repeated too quickly.
- Changed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Starting with the three last F-27s, Braathens started " ditto with "start" here.
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just a general note, it may be worth clarifying that this list is of those types used by the Braathens airline between its inception and its merger with SAS? Just a clear single one-liner? Perhaps ahead of the table?
- Added; if you feel this is necessary to avoid confusion then it is better to be safe than sorry. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason why there's no image of the Heron?
- There are no free images of Herons in Braathens livery. And I have spend quite some time trying to find one. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Transair is a dab link.
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 3 is called plane-spotter.com not plane-spotters.com and is it reliable?
- Although admittedly a border-line case, my main reason to believe it is reliable is the extreme detail, and that it matches other reliable sources where I have attempted to cross-reference. The documents lists dates in, dates out, registrations, lessors etc. for every single aircraft; all it is used to reference in this article is the number of F100, B737-700 and BAe-146 aircraft in the fleet. Other values, as descriptions, all other aircraft, years in and out are all referenced elsewhere. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support with comments Nothing major that needs fixing, so I'll support now, but two minor point

Domestic/domestically is overworked, can you lose or vary some ("internal" for example?)

Your refs using templates end in a full stop, the untemplated ones don't. For consistency, I'd make them all full stopped

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback and support. Interesting comments—I've never even noticed the periods before. I rephrased about half the domestic/domestically words. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

A suggestion of the name of the list could be List of aircraft used by Braathens
- Perhaps "List of aircraft operated by Braathens"? Anyway I'll await the name change to after the FLC to not mess things up.
"From the establishment..." would change the to their
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the model column should come first followed by the image column. This would make sense per MOS:DTT as it is the clear rowheader, its also a bit odd seeing an image as the first column, without introducing what the image is representing.
- Changed. My initial thought was that having the image not on the side of the table would look odd, but I guess it looks okay. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"after requests from among others Braathens." not keen on this would change to after requests from airlines including Braathens
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"although it did see some use in scheduled services." -> although it was used in some scheduled services
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
ref 3 needs the parameter |format=PDF adding
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of using a semi-colon for bolding, as you've done for Bibliography and Notes in the references section. You should the apostrophe's instead as using the semi-colon is a WP:ACCESS issue for those using screen readers
- I was not aware of that, so thanks for pointing it out. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments; all has been seen to. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Images could use alt text.
- I have added alt-text, but I am still confused as to what is expected to be in alt-text (which is why I didn't add them in the first place). WP:ALT is in my opinion not particularly useful in explaining the issue. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fleet: "The list consists the total number of...". Needs "of" after "consists".
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Double "at" in the British Aerospace 146-200 note.
- Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If the second book in the bibliography is in Norwegian, that should be indicated. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. Thank you for the improvements. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One more I just noticed while checking changes: the titles of refs 12 and 45 have hyphens that should be en dashes instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. The sources use hyphens incorrectly, and I'm never quite sure if we should leave them or correct it. Arsenikk ^(talk) 09:05, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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